whats wrong with wow?

[Sushi]

As long as it's played with the same rules as in PvE it'll be unfair and that is never good in PvP setting. Much better games exist for fair (and usually more fun) PvP.

"For fun" PvP is a good filler content but not something that should be taken seriously in an MMO.

you can't be really fair in anything really

I've seen a talented player against multiple players before and killed them all. This is absolutely unfair but talented is just talented , even it's an unfair situation he can utilize his skills better than others.

[Betelgeuzah]

you can't be really fair in anything really

Yes, you can... at least much fairer. No equipment, skills, level difference... or even class difference. Fair PvP needs all these things to not matter. Or like in Defense of the Ancients, everyone start the fight from the same point so its fair.

Still can get killed by multiple people but there is always same number of people in the team so it's up to teamplay. The # of people is the same, so it's fair. Same in WoW. If it's 8 vs. 8, it's the failure of the other 7 if a guy gets killed by 3 people ganking on him. But if the other team has better gear, more balanced skills and are higher level? It's just stupid.

[Sushi]

Yes, you can... at least much fairer. No equipment, skills, level difference... or even class difference. Fair PvP needs all these things to not matter. Or like in Defense of the Ancients, everyone start the fight from the same point so its fair.

Still can get killed by multiple people but there is always same number of people in the team so it's up to teamplay. The # of people is the same, so it's fair.

to have everything absolutly fair is like saying you can transfer energy from cold to hot without doing work.

That's what I meant.