whats wrong with wow?

[Atomsk]

The "wow has more players, so it has more bad players" is a commonly used excuse, but a flawed one. Ststistically, having more players will increase the absolute number of bad players, but it shouldn't increase their percentage.
The problem is that the percentage of "bad apples" in wow is much, much higher than in any other MMORPG (or online community at that) I've ever been part of.

It is the weekend. Let us not spoil it by talking about the difference between independent samples and n.

We cannot really truly compare the two games because they are aimed at different kinds of players. And many people may disagree, but WoW is wildly successful and it DID redefine what MMOs should shoot for. To ignore everything that WoW did right is completely narrow-minded. FF14 will attract other kinds of players too. People got burned out on FF11 and WoW. I don't want a clone of FF11 or a clone of WoW, but maybe something that takes the best of both worlds and makes it something that is completely its own.

[Abriael]

We cannot really truly compare the two games because they are aimed at different kinds of players. And many people may disagree, but WoW is wildly successful and it DID redefine what MMOs should shoot for.

I never said that WoW isn't a wildly successful marketing operation. As a cash cow it works perfectly. You're actually not saying something much different from what I said.
It redefined what MMOs should shoot for IF the developer wants to aim for the minimum common denominator of the gamer(loosely intended) playerbase.
Personally, as I do not want to play in the same server as that minimum common denominator, I'm much happier with games that don't aim for such a target. Or at least don't do so in such an extreme way.
I'm quite sure many agree, and that's exactly where the problem with wow (for me and them) lies.

Their target is excessively wide, and as such their community is unbearable for many that are used to (or prefer) a little more mature environment. That's pretty mcuh all there's to it.

when i played ffxi and i feel everything is so slow, i can watch TV while I PT. when i fight a boss, the only thing keeps me busy is the log window. do I need to think fast? no, i just repeat and repeat what Ive done

Which is pretty much the same thing that happens in WoW, and in every MMORPG out there. I don't remember a single MMO in which I couldn't watch TV, drink coffee, read forums on the other PC and so forth. The fact that you like a MMO, doesn't mean that you need to try and "nobilize" it by arguing that it's harder.

[Sushi]

Which is pretty much the same thing that happens in WoW, and in every MMORPG out there. I don't remember a single MMO in which I couldn't watch TV, drink coffee, read forums on the other PC and so forth. The fact that you like a MMO, doesn't mean that you need to try and "nobilize" it by arguing that it's harder.

WOW's boss fights are really dynamic and they only last about 10min or less.
there is no way you can watch TV and doing dungeons in WOW at the same time, unless your in a 20man group and is killing trash. even then while you are AFK, you prob gonna get killed if you are not careful.

[Abriael]

WOW's boss fights are really dynamic and they only last about 10min or less.
there is no way you can watch TV and doing dungeons in WOW, unless your in a 20man group and is killing trash.

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

[Sushi]

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

this sentence only implies me that you don't play wow, no more further argument is needed. I'm done.

[Abriael]

this sentence only implies me that you don't play wow, no more further argument is needed. I'm done.

Again, you assume a lot more than you should.

[Linnear]

Applying your same limits to other people is rather flawed logic. The fact that you don't manage doesn't necessarily mean others don't.

Abriael I keep getting the feeling you have never tried new content in WoW upon release, and I don't mean like 2 months after it was release, I mean like the first 3 weeks of release. I can guarentee you that you can do a 10 man the first few times and not have everyone paying attention on boss fights and winning. Wrath was a broken expansion and BLizzard acknowledges it but the other three inceptions of the game were challenging with Cata being the most challenging end game content yet. If you think you can breeze through it in a cavalier fashion your just wrong! there is no negotiating that fact, you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

[Rhianu]

you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

Doesn't surprise me. Abriael is one of the biggest SE/FFXIV fanboys I've seen on these forums.

[Abriael]

Abriael I keep getting the feeling you have never tried new content in WoW upon release, and I don't mean like 2 months after it was release, I mean like the first 3 weeks of release. I can guarentee you that you can do a 10 man the first few times and not have everyone paying attention on boss fights and winning. Wrath was a broken expansion and BLizzard acknowledges it but the other three inceptions of the game were challenging with Cata being the most challenging end game content yet. If you think you can breeze through it in a cavalier fashion your just wrong! there is no negotiating that fact, you are just spouting false comments and inflamitory comments about a game you dislike for no valid reason.

Translation from the above: "if you disagree with me and have a different experience than me you're just wrong and lie!".

Please. You're entirely entitled to worship any game you like, but you don't need to justify it to us by trying to make it look more challenging than it is.

[Linnear]

Translation from the above: "if you disagree with me and have a different experience than me you're just wrong and lie!".

Please. You're entirely entitled to worship any game you like, but you don't need to justify it to us by trying to make it look more challenging than it is.

Abriael, what your saying is just not corrent, your making grand statements that you have no first hand experience in, anyone who played high end content in WoW knows your full of it. If you go through something after it is on farm is not the same as going through it on hard mode during release. Your "claimed" experiences is a false representation of reality. It is the equivalent of saying you ran CoP for the first time without animas on release and oneshot every fight in the mission chain in the first day it was out. It is just not correct.

Outside of CoP WoW has examples of it being more challenging, myself and others have pointed this out in numerous posts, but people like abriael and others dismiss these statements without specificis. Can we have some truthfull examples of why you have your particular position?