whats wrong with wow?

[Rhianu]

They most definitely give players that make an extensive use of them a clear advantage over people that don't. So if they aren't a cheat they get very near to it.

Wrong. Just because something gives an advantage, that doesn't automatically mean it's a cheat. In order for anything to qualify as a cheat, it has to give an advantage AND be against the rules. By your logic, you could say that playing a BLM in FFXI was cheating because it gave you an advantage over some of the underpowered jobs, like PUP or DRG.

The main negative point with addons is that their existance forces the developer to design encounters taking in account that they will be used, creating a further divide with people that don't use them. The problem has been mitigated by the ban on commercial addons, but it still remains as an underlying problem in encounter design.

That's actually a GOOD thing. Thanks to addons, Blizzard has had to alter the type of battle tactics they use in designing enemy encounters, which has resulted in deeper strategies being implemented into the fights.

But you don't ever need any addons to win a boss fight (although some guild leaders will try to insist that you do). No, the truth is that if you're good enough, you can do everything with just the default interface if you really want to.

[Malakhim]

Guys.

Winning is cheating.

When you win at anything, you're obviously cheating.

Add-ons help you win, therefore you're cheating.

There are no holes in my logic, don't try to find any.

... >.>

[Ostia]

They most definitely give players that make an extensive use of them a clear advantage over people that don't. So if they aren't a cheat they get very near to it.

The main negative point with addons is that their existance forces the developer to design encounters taking in account that they will be used, creating a further divide with people that don't use them. The problem has been mitigated by the ban on commercial addons, but it still remains as an underlying problem in encounter design.

No they do not, for example DMG metter gives no advantage, nor does threat meter, for the default UI already gives warning of when you are about to lose threat if you are a tank, or you are taking it if you are a DPS/Healer, all threat meter does is give an extra warning, it does not cast taunt or anything like that

[Nephera]

the bigger a community is the higher the chance that you will get a cluster of jerks who are very loud and will reflect poorly on the community as a whole

[Zaene]

the bigger a community is the higher the chance that you will get a cluster of jerks who are very loud and will reflect poorly on the community as a whole

Quoted for Truth.

[Linnear]

PS:My facts are always verifiable. Some just don't like to hear them, and prefer to deny.

verify this one!

Actually I don't see where your comments about aggro mods not being used comes from, considering that blizzard had to actually legitimate them by designing encounters specifically around their use (bad choice, they should have just banned them).

And reason I was writing this was becasue you were using these types of mods as an example of making the game not hard. I was just stating that they make it easier on the mid range players, and do verry little if anythign for the high end players.

Personally I don't care how easy or hard a game is for casuals/semi casuals as long is it does not interfear with the difficulty of high end play. XI was just cruel on EVERYONE (cruel does not = hard), wow is nice to the casuals in leveling mid range and in wrath raiders and now are putting the hurt on the hardcores (cata hard mode 10) and being a little rougher on the casuals then before.

[Sushi]

just wondering does SE hire some 5 cents here just to reply posts D:

[Linnear]

It was never meant to be super-challenging: Blizzard's entire design philosophy (and this applies to all of their games) is "Easy to learn; difficult to master", and it shines forth in pretty much any game you play. WoW is designed, as pointed out, for just about anybody to get into, but not everyone is going to be able to down all hard modes in <2 months or be in the top .5% of arena/rated-BG teams unless they're really good at the game, and are surrounded by other players who are also really good, and I have a hard time buying that you are part of that group. SC2 is the same way: anybody can pick it up and play, complete the campaign, play a bit of ladder, but only the best players are going to find their way into the Grandmaster (aka Top 200) league.

Very well said Quanta, easy to learn difficult to master. What I want to know is why can't we take some of thoes difficult to master aspects from WoW and try them out with some SE restyling into FFXIV?

[Linnear]

umm there is a trick around this.

and as such a "good" WoW player you should know this. You can fatigue die as a ghost. And where you fatigue die is the graveyard your at.

I had several night elf hunters with dragonhawks at lvl 10 by running like that. Found some cool places too like a tourist trap similar to old faithful.

if you say die in the ocean off ghostlands you end up at the ghostlands grave yard.

If by good you mean not dieing enough in starter zones to take the time to learn a more useless way to waste time then...... no

[Taru_TwoPointO]

How about we get this thread closed because it has no reason to be in this forum anyway.