whats wrong with wow?

[Quanta]

The title of the thread is "whats wrong with wow" and mainly states someones opinion on wow and how they are doing currently in said game. At the very bottom they state that SE should implement some things it does. Then it turned into an argument over many pages. This thread is not contributing in any way to Final Fantasy XIV.

I'd say its relevant. One of FFXIV's problems is its community's attempts to prevent outside ideas from affecting the game--as this thread demonstrates--along with lobbying efforts to prevent those ideas that have already gotten through from having any noticeable impact (e.g. jump), as they believe that such ideas will destroy the game by making it too much like WoW, specifically by making it easy for the average person to get into the game and level. This is ignoring the idea that WoW can be legitimately hard at high levels of play (i.e. hard mode raids and high-end PvP) or even mid-levels (i.e. normal raids, heroic 5-mans, mid-range PvP) if you're a Muggle like probably most people here are.

I'm of the mind that a game should be relatively easy to get into, and doing anything beyond the baseline (leveling) should require increasing levels of ability from there, along with the need to team up with others, due to their difficulty.

[Sushi]

don't you think SE can learn a lot just to read this post? there are lot of ideas in here, the title is not so important. the content is important.

if you still don't get it, well I don't think I want to explain more.

[Kurai]

I dont know if i am going to get some normal responses but ...

Anybody know whats so wrong about world of warcraft?

where do I start....

the graphics are cartoonish and OLD.

the game play is about as exciting as a trip to the local library.

one job per character.

retarded flying mounts.

PVP is a gank fest (if your on a PVP server) lvl 70+ thinking they are hard for killing someone at lvl 20

PVE is rubbish to PVP is the only option really

Blizzard have been milking this cash cow for to long. they need to come up with something new and exciting.

not enough party action, not untill you get to endgame anyway (then you just get parties with asshole ninjas who steal)

Kara access when i played was well overrated. to the point of where i got kara access and quit a week later through shear boredom

oh and way to many young kids playing!!!


THE ONLY REASON SO MANY PEOPLE PLAY WOW IS BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE COMPUTERS GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY FINAL FANTASY XIV AND OTHER NEW GAMES OUT AT THE MOMENT. my old laptop had a GeForce GO 6150 and ran the game flat out. that same laptop scored 318 on the ffxiv official benchmark LOL

[HawaiianPunch]

I'd say its relevant. One of FFXIV's problems is its community's attempts to prevent outside ideas from affecting the game--as this thread demonstrates--along with lobbying efforts to prevent those ideas that have already gotten through from having any noticeable impact (e.g. jump), as they believe that such ideas will destroy the game by making it too much like WoW, specifically by making it easy for the average person to get into the game and level. This is ignoring the idea that WoW can be legitimately hard at high levels of play (i.e. hard mode raids and high-end PvP) or even mid-levels (i.e. normal raids, heroic 5-mans, mid-range PvP) if you're a Muggle like probably most people here are.

yes the ffxi/xiv community is very anti-wow despite the fact alot of stuff from wow works well, but wow gets very boring and repetitive. Running around org/dal in circles each week after raids are done..um? okay? And I don't know when the last time you played wow but the 5-mans aren't hard, even the new cata ones you can often sweep with no CC.

The new raids are kind of hard, but none of the ones in wrath were.

[Quanta]

yes the ffxi/xiv community is very anti-wow despite the fact alot of stuff from wow works well, but wow gets very boring and repetitive. Running around org/dal in circles each week after raids are done..um? okay?

There's nothing stopping you from leveling/gearing an alt, partaking in PvP, or running random dungeons. Well, except you, of course, though that's a poor excuse.

And I don't know when the last time you played wow but the 5-mans aren't hard, even the new cata ones you can often sweep with no CC.

On normal mode, this was the case, at least around launch; heroics were a different story. That might have changed with subsequent hotfixes and the proliferation of raid gear, though. When I was playing though, running places like HoO or Stonecore on heroic in all dungeon blues without a guild group was next to impossible.

The new raids are kind of hard, but none of the ones in wrath were.

True, though I didn't see that many Light of Dawn titles when Cata launched compared to Bane of the Fallen King, soooo... >_>

[Linnear]

yes the ffxi/xiv community is very anti-wow despite the fact alot of stuff from wow works well, but wow gets very boring and repetitive. Running around org/dal in circles each week after raids are done..um? okay? And I don't know when the last time you played wow but the 5-mans aren't hard, even the new cata ones you can often sweep with no CC.

The new raids are kind of hard, but none of the ones in wrath were.

WoW content can get boring for a lot of people not at the high end becuause it does get increasingly exclusive as the patches go on, mid ranged players generally dont' like doing area becuase they all feel they are better than the 40-50% win ratio they get and cry cause they are where their skill level places them. To be honest even at the high end it still gets boring running into a hard mode that takes a couple of weeks to kill. But that is the price you pay by having a system that is fluid and allows for quick retrys, it is a trade off you make. Only reason FFXI held me so firmly was I kept wanted to find a group of 20 ish hard core players that had the same time table I did, unfortunantly since I didn't speak JP that was unlikly so I muddled through a lot of the content and very slow speeds, (When you die in FFXI from someone pulling stuff in limbus or dyna by mistake it just took to long to get going again). But that is a trade off between the two games and they each have their advantages and disadvantages. WoWs system let you try, fail, get up and try agian quickly, as a result if you were solid you could blow through content quickly and be done with each epatch in 2-4 months or so, (thankfully a new content patch came out every 6 months or so). In FF there didn't appear to be any serious high end content and everyone was use to the slower pace that FF set so noone was in a really hurry to get anything done, and why would they when death was so painfull. As a result you never really got bored casue it took forever to get through content, but it did give you time to converse with the community and make connections and such. This was an advantage FFXI had over WoW, but I don't think you necessarly need to be cruel to your community to get them to talk to each other, but this might explain why it is harder to form relations in WoW, less death time together....... I just hope that FFXIV finds a better way to bring peopel together then a shared common grief that is the game you are trying to have fun with.

[StateAlchemist]

The only "wow" in WoW is the "wow" after realizing that leveling was "so easy, a caveman could do it."
Of course this is the person that was willing to grind to Level 100 before fighting Ifrit on FFVIII...
I get bored with anything that feels easy. Monotonous I can handle, but I don't want a level cap handed to me on a silver platter.

I will give WoW a couple of things though. If you ignore the "easy-mode" game play, some of the End-game is fairly cool. However, I have still had more fun watching someone play WoW then actually playing it myself.

[HawaiianPunch]

On normal mode, this was the case, at least around launch; heroics were a different story. That might have changed with subsequent hotfixes and the proliferation of raid gear, though. When I was playing though, running places like HoO or Stonecore on heroic in all dungeon blues without a guild group was next to impossible.

First, on a sidenote, I refuse to run HOO or Stonecore, they are just too annoying, but most of the new heroics are clearable with people who are mostly epicced out (and no I don't mean PVP epics) and aren't retarded. Assuming everyone's DPS is good you should be able to zerg through everything. And yes I've quit, but even before I quit they did make alot of the heroics easier, the first boss to SFK comes to mind.

As far as other stuff besides running in circles, running BGs gets kind of useless after you have all the BG gear and I don't see a point to rolling an alt or doing dungeons seeing as it doesn't improve my character, but like you said, that's probably just me.

[Quanta]

First, on a sidenote, I refuse to run HOO or Stonecore, they are just too annoying, but most of the new heroics are clearable with people who are mostly epicced out (and no I don't mean PVP epics) and aren't retarded. Assuming everyone's DPS is good you should be able to zerg through everything. And yes I've quit, but even before I quit they did make alot of the heroics easier, the first boss to SFK comes to mind.

Keywords bolded. The nature of the game pretty much guarantees that you're going to end up with someone going full retard in your random heroics, though you can easily mitigate this by filling the vital roles (tank/healer) with guildies, effectively making it a guild run.

As far as other stuff besides running in circles, running BGs gets kind of useless after you have all the BG gear and I don't see a point to rolling an alt or doing dungeons seeing as it doesn't improve my character, but like you said, that's probably just me.

There's also arenas. So long as you're laid back about it and go in with a decent partner, doing 2s will allow you to get your PvP epics and a weapon without demanding too much of your time or patience, and can be pretty enjoyable. You can also run the old raids for a lark; at 85, you can probably solo a few of them, or at least duo, though it helps to have a goal in mind beforehand (e.g. warglaives).

[Krausus]

Doubt you will get many normal responses, but nothing is wrong with WoW, its all opinion. I dont like WoW because I dont like the combat system, its boring to me. I also don't like that they put in stupid stuff like motorcycles and it seems like every patch (granted I haven't played since BC) is just more dungeons, another tier of gear, rinse and repeat what you have been doing over the last 5 years. Some people enjoy it, some don't.

But probably the main thing I dislike about WoW is the fact that it is so dominating in the market, that just about every MMO player out there compares every MMOs success to it and if said MMO doesn't have a million+ subs then it is apparently a failure.