whats wrong with wow?

[Xatsh]

The main problem I see with WoW is the lack of group content, yea there are raids and dungeons but that is just not enough. I would say this is the biggest problem in every single mmo made post FFXI, devs are making Solo player multiplayer games... (my biggest game breaker of mmos, I just despise solo mmos)

outside that I would say these are my major issues with it:

1) Craft system is horrible (click a button 100% success, crazy easy to level up)
2) Everything is designed to let you win and rewards are handed out like candy at Halloween, makes some people feel good but it is a rediculously shallow experience which leaves you with no sense of accomplishment. The All reward no work. Nothing is epic if 90% of population has it.
3) Updates destroy all old content... cataclysm made almost everything if not everything in WotLK completely worthless for endgame.
4) Tiered gear for everything... FFXIV actually has this and I am very weary if this will happen in throughout the game if it does it will be a massive negative that FFXI did not have. This leads to people not doing lower level dungeons, NMs, and raids because the gear will be gimp in 4-5 levels, and is a big culprit of #3.
5) The game throws Gold at you... FFXIV has this to an extent as well but no where near the level WoW's quest do it. You can afford anything just by doing quest in WoW.

Other things not related to game play which made me hate WoW:
1) Community is the biggest collection of crap I ever seen in 1 location ever. (ask for help on a quest and you get 6 replys calling you a noob or worthless trash because you are attempting to do group quest... seriously WtF)
2) The graphics where subpar at launch. (It has improved over the years but the polygon count and texture details are horrible)
3) I do not like the art direction (Looks like I am playing an upgraded more mature toontown) This one is all personal opinion though.
4) Being locked into 1 class.... This was my biggest draw to FFXI over EQ back in the day. No idea why mmos keep doing this but I view it as a cheap way to keep you playing the game.. being forced to play the whole game 6-10 times to experience all the possible classes.

[Zenaku]

The main problem I see with WoW is the lack of group content, yea there are raids and dungeons but that is just not enough. I would say this is the biggest problem in every single mmo made post FFXI, devs are making Solo player multiplayer games... (my biggest game breaker of mmos, I just despise solo mmos)

outside that I would say these are my major issues with it:



1) Craft system is horrible (click a button 100% success, crazy easy to level up)
2) Everything is designed to let you win and rewards are handed out like candy at Halloween, makes some people feel good but it is a rediculously shallow experience which leaves you with no sense of accomplishment. The All reward no work. Nothing is epic if 90% of population has it.
3) Updates destroy all old content... cataclysm made almost everything if not everything in WotLK completely worthless for endgame.
4) Tiered gear for everything... FFXIV actually has this and I am very weary if this will happen in throughout the game if it does it will be a massive negative that FFXI did not have. This leads to people not doing lower level dungeons, NMs, and raids because the gear will be gimp in 4-5 levels, and is a big culprit of #3.
5) The game throws Gold at you... FFXIV has this to an extent as well but no where near the level WoW's quest do it. You can afford anything just by doing quest in WoW.

Other things not related to game play which made me hate WoW:
1) Community is the biggest collection of crap I ever seen in 1 location ever. (ask for help on a quest and you get 6 replys calling you a noob or worthless trash because you are attempting to do group quest... seriously WtF)
2) The graphics where subpar at launch. (It has improved over the years but the polygon count and texture details are horrible)
3) I do not like the art direction (Looks like I am playing an upgraded more mature toontown) This one is all personal opinion though.
4) Being locked into 1 class.... This was my biggest draw to FFXI over EQ back in the day. No idea why mmos keep doing this but I view it as a cheap way to keep you playing the game.. being forced to play the whole game 6-10 times to experience all the possible classes.

I agree everything you say here is what i think about wow.

[Alexandrious]

I dont know if i am going to get some normal responses but ...

Anybody know whats so wrong about world of warcraft?

I got the original game for free, because my blizzard account got an upgrade, no expansions, and so far i have been enjoying it. I play starcraft 2 for like ... 2 games a month :P

I am still in the starting area as a hunter and i dont mind my wolf at all :P There are people everywhere, you cant run around for 5 min without a quest mark, monster hunting is pretty fun, always something to discover. Npc's everywhere and with some missions there is npc interaction. I am also on a rp server so that help too, for me at least.

Maybe its because i only played for like 7 hours and its still new and all. I understand it if you have played for years or so and completed everything for 100 percent, but a lot who complain about it never even touched the game. Its kind of like arma players complaining about cod games. Its not really that bad. If i were a warcraft player i would subscribe to it.

The only thing thats holding me back is the fact that you cant use a controller to play the game. Yes, im a guy who drinks/eats/smokes while playing games. And i do believe the cut throat attitude in the higher levels, because thats everywhere. I mean gamers are out there for themselves, nobody goes into a game to be beaten all the time.

I think SE should put some stuff from that game into ff14. It never feels empty. Don't get me wrong, i like the sense of accomplishment and wow constantly pushes you towards the next quest when i just want to look around. But to say its a reason to quit ff14 is just a bit harsh to me.

We do not speak of WHINECRAFT HERE! Baaaad kitty :P

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Honestly I think devs shoulda stuck to the old "hardcore ways". Back when ppl were a bit nicer. With launch of WoW it opened mmo to more ppl. This is what killing the genre. More ppl isn't always better. MMo do need to be a tad bit more user friendly, but not over the top. It should be a time consuming game, and the gamer shouldn't let that stop them. Rushing content is pointless. WoW brought in the wrong crowd to mmo. And they are taking over the communities. The fps crowd ruining pvp, the casual "core" gamer is brinbging their anti mmo gamer attitude. the " get a life" cuz u play for 6 hrs. Or the typical mmo gamer is a fat man who lives in moms basement.

Nearly all mmo are getting the "noob lern2play" crowd and is what is killing our communities. This was why wow is kinda hated. It brought in too meny of the wrong ppl, who are changing the mmo , not in a good way. I rather have fun in a niche mmo then be misiable in a popular one.

[Gicker]

Honestly I think devs shoulda stuck to the old "hardcore ways". Back when ppl were a bit nicer. With launch of WoW it opened mmo to more ppl. This is what killing the genre. More ppl isn't always better. MMo do need to be a tad bit more user friendly, but not over the top. It should be a time consuming game, and the gamer shouldn't let that stop them. Rushing content is pointless. WoW brought in the wrong crowd to mmo. And they are taking over the communities. The fps crowd ruining pvp, the casual "core" gamer is brinbging their anti mmo gamer attitude. the " get a life" cuz u play for 6 hrs. Or the typical mmo gamer is a fat man who lives in moms basement.

Nearly all mmo are getting the "noob lern2play" crowd and is what is killing our communities. This was why wow is kinda hated. It brought in too meny of the wrong ppl, who are changing the mmo , not in a good way. I rather have fun in a niche mmo then be misiable in a popular one.

What makes you any better than them then? Your intolerance is just pointed in a different direction, namely back at them. They scoff at you and you scoff at them. You're the same personality type with different backgrounds and interests.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

What makes you any better than them then? Your intolerance is just pointed in a different direction, namely back at them. They scoff at you and you scoff at them. You're the same personality type with different backgrounds and interests.

did I say I was better then anyone? I played ffxi for a long time WoW for 1-2 years. Several MUD, and about 12-20 free to play mmo. MMO are community games when you got ppl with their high school bully persona going "lern2play noob" its makes you wonder why they play mmo if they gonna act like that. I never ran into that pre WoW only after launch.
WoW did bring in a crowd who wouldn't play an mmo. As they assume all mmo gamers are fat men. And all role players are tiny nerds who pretend to be wizards or a cult.

Sorry not trying ta be rude but I dis see this transition. And I personally experienced how bad WoW community is as well as mmo after that.

I play mmo to have fun and play with other players. Not get bullied just for sake of it.

[Skeeter]

Whole lotta bias and exaggeration up in here.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Whole lotta bias and exaggeration up in here.

not really having played the game for a year, most of it is true.

[Amalthea]

It's merely a matter of preference. Both games have their ups and downs, and not everyone is looking for the same thing when they play an MMORPG. What originally drew me in to XIV was the fact that it was much more solo-friendly than XI was. I had played a free trial of WoW, but failed to make any sort of connection with the game and lost interest. When the beta became public for XIV, I only played for two hours before I knew i was in love, flaws and all.

I don't see why people can't just agree to disagree, and carry on and enjoy their games. Isn't having fun what games are about, anyways? :/

For the record, I probably have a slight dislike for WoW not because of the game itself, but for some of the players from that game. It's unfortunate, and I know I shouldn't let the actions of the few color my opinion of something like a game, but each time I try to be open about it, someone comes along and does nothing to prove me wrong. :<

[Keith_Dragoon]

I don't hate wow or the players that try XIV but WoW isn't for me. I played it on and off since BC pretty much and could never play it for more then a few months tops before quiting. Its nothing wrong with the game I just like to feel as though I worked for my stuff and I never got that feeling in WoW.

the long fights managing MP and keeping my party healed, hasted and cured of any ailments for an extended period of time made the drops feel well earned. As a DD it didn't feel as rewarding as I just open/closed SCs so mages can blow stuff up faster.