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    i couldnt find the quote in the lb2 about nagxia and yangxia, what page is that?

    also lea monde valens and the vineyards is interestingly referred to in the past tense under diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    On the choice of the label "Dalmasca" rather than "Rabanastre", it could be to do with what we 'normally call' the region politically. For the Eorzean cities we often talk about Gridania or Ul'dah as if the name represents the entirety of the Shroud or Thanalan. Dalmasca doesn't have the same oddity, and is correctly used to describe the country, while (from what little it's been discussed) Rabanastre only seems to refer specifically to the capital.
    The Eorzean city-states are... well... city-states. So the name of the city is the name of the state, even if the region or island the state is located on goes by other geographical names. Most of the cities we've encountered in Hydaelyn follow a similar pattern until we get to the Far East where we have the Kingdom of Dalmasca and Hingashi who break from this pattern and are kind of confusingly labelled on the map.

    Hingashi is the name of the nation, but the capital city is Bukyo. "Hingashi" is not labelled on the map, just the islands that make up Hingashi (Koshu and Shishu) and the two known cities (Bukyo and Kugane). OP is correct in that, if we were to follow this pattern, the city should be labelled Rabanastre and someone just goofed. Like I said in my first post there'll likely be an in-world explanation for why, when we zoomed specifically in on pretty much the entirety of the Kingdom of Dalmasca on the map Fran pulled out, Rabanastre, Dalmasca's capital, is erroneously labelled as the country name and not the city's name.


    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    On a related note, is Doma supposed to be the capital of Yanxia?
    Yep, the Kingdom of Doma rules the region of Yanxia. Yanxia here is just the geographical region name.


    Quote Originally Posted by Astarotha View Post
    i couldnt find the quote in the lb2 about nagxia and yangxia, what page is that?
    Top of page 63!
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    Last edited by Sounsyy; 01-19-2019 at 01:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Lea Monde is likely to endure an ill fate if it's to mimic its Vagrant Story counterpart. It's odd that it isn't located on the map itself though there's the possibility that the map is a fairly old one. Of course, it could be a very recent map and Lea Monde has already been plunged into chaos without us, specifically, being told. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if it plays a part in 5.0 as a zone, dungeon or raid.
    out of curiosity what happened in vagrant story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusanagi7 View Post
    out of curiosity what happened in vagrant story?
    Vagrant Story Spoilers:

    Lea Monde was founded long before the game began, with ties to an increasingly influential cult that embraced a power known as the 'Dark'. In time, it became a fairly prosperous city and roughly twenty five years before the game starts, there's a power struggle that leads to a conjured earthquake that kills the inhabitants and cuts the city off from the mainland. This strengthens the Dark and brings forth undead monstrosities and demonic entities alike. Most of the game is spent fighting those monstrosities as well as those entering the city in the game's present day who wish to control the power that resides there for themselves. There's other details involved, but that's the condensed version.

    The city itself was famous for its wine and the only way to enter the city in the game is through the abandoned wine cellars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireKriess View Post
    Hey everyone

    So I have noticed some mistakes on the unfolded map of Othard revealed in the last part of Return to Ivalice.

    As you can see, the name above Rabanastre says "Dalmasca", this is wrong since that is the name of the country, not the city-state.

    Furthermore it's said in part 2 of Return to Ivalice, that an inland sea known as the Valnard Sea is south of Rabanastre, and contains the Ridorana Cataract. This piece of information is nowhere to be found on the map.

    In addition to that, according to the 2nd Lore Book, another major city, Lea Monde is supposed to be present, and Valnain is supposed to be "at the edge of the sands" according to page 98.
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    Last edited by DarthSanguine; 01-20-2019 at 03:50 AM. Reason: Correcting mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthSanguine View Post
    In addition to that, according to the 2nd Lore Book, another major city, Lea Monde is supposed to be present, and Valnain is supposed to be "at the edge of the sands" according to page 98.
    I'm going to assume that the map was drawn before EEII was finished, or that its contents weren't relayed to the artists that drew the map. The descriptions in the Encyclopedia make it seem like Valnain and its inlet should be moved over to the Greylic's/Golmore border and Lea Monde should be where Valnain is now, where it looks like grapes could actually grow without the threat of viera defending the jungle. Maybe the Garleans glassed the vineyards, since them and Lea Monde's wine are described in the past tense?
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    I am wondering is the map older than Lea Monde's existence or just omitted for unknown reasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthSanguine View Post
    In addition to that, according to the 2nd Lore Book, another major city, Lea Monde is supposed to be present, and Valnain is supposed to be "at the edge of the sands" according to page 98.
    The map only seems to show capital cities. So I don't think there's anything remarkable about a Dalmascan city other than Rabanastre being left off the map.... assuming that Valnain is supposed to be the Nagxian capital, at any rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The map only seems to show capital cities. So I don't think there's anything remarkable about a Dalmascan city other than Rabanastre being left off the map.... assuming that Valnain is supposed to be the Nagxian capital, at any rate.
    Game and lore book make it clear that Valnain is a Dalmascan city though, not Nagxian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The map only seems to show capital cities. So I don't think there's anything remarkable about a Dalmascan city other than Rabanastre being left off the map.... assuming that Valnain is supposed to be the Nagxian capital, at any rate.
    Nagxia doesn't have a capital - it's made up of multiple small kingdoms. Dalmasca isn't a city-state like the Eorzean nations, and so has multiple major towns and cities. The entirety of the newly revealed territory is Dalmasca. It's so large that when it was conquered by the Empire, they divivded it into two Imperial provinces: Dalmasca Superior, containing the Dalmasca desert, and who's capital is Rabanastre; and Dalmasca Inferior, containing Greylic's Bend and the Golmore Jungle, and who's capital is Lea Monde.
    So Valnain isn't even a provincial capital, let alone a national one, and if anything would likely be the major city of the Greylic's Bend region if the people who made the map hadn't screwed up.
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