Dev clarifaction on exp switch

[Arya_Leviathan]

Right because switching to a higher lv job and one shoting a spell mob or just a mob that's used just for xp before the spell is used or killing it right after the person pulls so the puller doesn't get any xp or get to learn the spell isn't hurting anyone one. /rolls eyes.

Except... The puller does get exp and can learn a skill if the mob casts it. Literally the other similiar leveling method to job swap is to have a level 70 buddy (or any one that can one shot) to kill the mob after you tag it. You just have to not be in a party together, this was the other method people did to powerlevel, and has been a thing forever to boost a friend to 15 since ARR. So are they too hurting people? Else your point is moot.

[Tempest222]

Not sure why people are so outraged over this. Someone else leveling blu faster than you has zero impact on you, and is clearly not in the same boat as RMT. If others find it more fun to get their leveling done ASAP, and SE has temporarily allowed this, then there’s not much else to say. In fact, now that I know using this little loophole is currently permitted, I may actually unlock blu and get it leveled just so I have it there for if any further adjustments are ever made and I decide I want to pick it up.

[Dualgunner]

Not sure why people are so outraged over this. Someone else leveling blu faster than you has zero impact on you, and is clearly not in the same boat as RMT. If others find it more fun to get their leveling done ASAP, and SE has temporarily allowed this, then there’s not much else to say. In fact, now that I know using this little loophole is currently permitted, I may actually unlock blu and get it leveled just so I have it there for if any further adjustments are ever made and I decide I want to pick it up.

I recommend the 2-person cheese method. It's way faster. Just tag a mob and have your 70 friend oneshot it--no need to wait between mobs for xp delays, you can just keep killing.

[MrKimper]

Are people legitimately upset that a job locked at 50 and can't even learn skills through leveling up is...being power leveled with an exploit that's been in the game since literally 1.0?

Come on now, I understand being upset at people stealing mobs from others who are legitimately trying to level, but if someone is doing this in somewhere like, one of the level 49 beasttribe areas and out of your way. How in the world does this effect you?

[Vidu]

So those who'd use the exploit in Fog fens even on the mudpuppies that don't give the spell and kill steal thunder sprites or use the exploit on the mudpuppies that do give the spell before it can go off is ok cause it doesn't hurt anyone let alone the puller. Got it. So I shouldn't want those who again must be using said exploit to instantly kill a lv 44 monster when their blue is lv 27 to get punished some how. Makes a lot of sense.

You still didnt get my point: Yes, it IS okay when a level 70 character (regardless wether they switched from bluemage to that job or are killing the mobs for a different, legit - drops, for example - reason) kills a mob - specially if its a mob that they pulled (even if they did so as bluemage).

You sound a lot like you're holding the believe that because you found a farm-spot that spot now belongs to you, which simply isnt the case. Open world mobs are fair game - and non of this is actually related to the exploit that people are being upset about.
You might (also) be upset about people "stealing" mobs, but the original topic was that people are leveling their bluemage through "exploits" and that other people are upset by that fact alone, without considering wether those people found a nice quite spot for themself, where they never stole any mobs and just happly switched between blu and blm to get their exp - or if they were "stealing" mobs in the open world from other people who were trying to level legit/get drops/get spells.

Mob-"stealing" (as long as they pull it first its not stealing - you dont own the mobs in the spot you found) and intional griefing are harming your experience, I get that. But the pure act of someone switching from blu to blm to kill a mob faster doesnt hurt you, no. And you especially dont get to claim that when it was a mob that the person in question pulled.

[HiroesX81]

For those who were trying to start a witch hunt on players useing the technique.SE themselves have stated they arent counting it as an exploit.


We are making the investigation and addressing of this issue a high priority, but as explained above, it involves changing the core structure of the EXP gaining method, making it difficult to address with a mere hotfix. Currently, we are aiming to address this issue with Patch 5.0.
As a result, using this method for levelling would normally be classified as an exploit, but since we were not able to address this promptly despite it being a known issue, we will not be issuing any penalties for players who are levelling in this way. However, since this was not the intended design, we do not recommend engaging in this behaviour, and exhort players to level in the normal manner as was intended.

Full post here
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...8f3d8978271a55

Arent they saying it does technically count as an exploit its just that they cant take measures right now? Ya know they could just make it so you cant switch jobs in the ARR zones temporarily unless youre in a sanctuary just like before but oh well. That being said its totally an exploit. Personally dont care how ppl wanna level but if anyone who uses this exploit gets to 50 and then complains about lack of content and enjoyment then I no sympathy for em

[Fawkes]

Pretty disappointing response, I expected we'd at least get a post from Yoshi asking people not to use it with some stronger language. Now people are just going to feel justified with their bad reasoning, as if it being in the game a long time or not directly hurting other players makes cheating totally okay.

[Metalwrath]

Arent they saying it does technically count as an exploit its just that they cant take measures right now? Ya know they could just make it so you cant switch jobs in the ARR zones temporarily unless youre in a sanctuary just like before but oh well. That being said its totally an exploit. Personally dont care how ppl wanna level but if anyone who uses this exploit gets to 50 and then complains about lack of content and enjoyment then I no sympathy for em

but since we were not able to address this promptly despite it being a known issue, we will not be issuing any penalties for players who are levelling in this way.

They are saying usualy they'd consider it an exploit but they arent treating it as so.

[SannaR]

Except... The puller does get exp and can learn a skill if the mob casts it. Literally the other similiar leveling method to job swap is to have a level 70 buddy (or any one that can one shot) to kill the mob after you tag it. You just have to not be in a party together, this was the other method people did to powerlevel, and has been a thing forever to boost a friend to 15 since ARR. So are they too hurting people? Else your point is moot.

Not if you don't have enough time to actually do enough damage. I had people kill slyphs for instance right after I off guard or sticky tongue and not get any xp. Also the lower level player normally has to do damage to the mob to get any xp credit before the lv 70 friend kills it. Also the instances I've seen were soloist so they weren't power leveling others just themselves.

[Dualgunner]

Not if you don't have enough time to actually do enough damage. I had people kill slyphs for instance right after I off guard or sticky tongue and not get any xp. Also the lower level player normally has to do damage to the mob to get any xp credit before the lv 70 friend kills it. Also the instances I've seen were soloist so they weren't power leveling others just themselves.

I'm not sure why our experiences are different; I helped a Lv1 BLU over at Wineport and despite that they did no damage, as long as they tagged the mob first and got priority on the target, they got full XP from it when I killed it.