Dev clarifaction on exp switch

[kikix12]

The Ungarmax exploit also wasn't fixed immediately, and while they didn't banned people who used it out of curiousity, it was actually not allowed to use that exploit until they fixed it.

The difference is not in the time it takes to fix but the attempt at fixing it. Basically, it is Square Enix trying to be CONSISTENT.

They took action against Ungarmax as soon as they had the opportunity after finding out about it.

They literally said in that comment that they knew about this exploit for a long time, but they saw it as irrelevant due to the overall loss of experience over alternatives, so they ignored it altogether.

If they suddenly begun banning people for something that they EXPLICITLY permitted (albeit without telling the community at large about that), that would be inconsistent and harmful.

Think about it this way. If they suddenly begun banning people for housing glitches just because they put an automated "pretty house reward" system that gives tons of MGP and the bugged houses would score higher due to the glitches, all hell would break loose on them, and rightfully so. If they'd want to deal with that problem they'd need to FIRST fix the glitches and THEN release that system.

And they acknowledged that in this post. They said that they should have fixed it before releasing Blue Mage, but they didn't, despite having knowledge of it (I assume...records of reports, but not remembering about it).

In that statement SE themself says it is an exploit o.ô;

Of course it's an exploit. It's just not bannable. Just like the housing glitches.

[SannaR]

Right because switching to a higher lv job and one shoting a spell mob or just a mob that's used just for xp before the spell is used or killing it right after the person pulls so the puller doesn't get any xp or get to learn the spell isn't hurting anyone one. /rolls eyes.

[Vidu]

Right because switching to a higher lv job and one shoting a spell mob or just a mob that's used just for xp before the spell is used or killing it right after the person pulls so the puller doesn't get any xp or get to learn the spell isn't hurting anyone one. /rolls eyes.

Thats not what I said or what I meant.

What I said/meant is basically: It doesnt hurt you that someone leveled their BLU in a less "legit" way.

What you're describing (a level 70 character killing a mob you wanted to kill as level 35 blu) can happen just as easly for different reasons - just to give you an example: My boyfriend and I were leveling from 33-37 by killing the black sheep in Coerthas, which I suggested since I can also use their fleece. At the same time a level 70 WHM was farming the sheep, most likely only for the fleece. Something similar might happen with Apkallus - a mob that both teaches you a skill, but also has some intresting loot, so I used to spend some time killing them as level 70 bard.
Some people might also just kill those mobs to troll (opposed to the legit reason of "I want the loot" - yes, bluemage doesnt get priority here. Needing fleece is just as legit as needing exp.)

My point is that the simple method of leveling your bluemage through job switches isnt hurting anyone - battling over mobs, having people one-shot or pull them etc. might hurt you and it might be partial conencted to the leveling-method, but its by no means exclusive.

[SannaR]

Thats not what I said or what I meant.

What I said/meant is basically: It doesnt hurt you that someone leveled their BLU in a less "legit" way.

What you're describing (a level 70 character killing a mob you wanted to kill as level 35 blu) can happen just as easly for different reasons - just to give you an example: My boyfriend and I were leveling from 33-37 by killing the black sheep in Coerthas, which I suggested since I can also use their fleece. At the same time a level 70 WHM was farming the sheep, most likely only for the fleece. Something similar might happen with Apkallus - a mob that both teaches you a skill, but also has some intresting loot, so I used to spend some time killing them as level 70 bard.
Some people might also just kill those mobs to troll (opposed to the legit reason of "I want the loot" - yes, bluemage doesnt get priority here. Needing fleece is just as legit as needing exp.)

My point is that the simple method of leveling your bluemage through job switches isnt hurting anyone - battling over mobs, having people one-shot or pull them etc. might hurt you and it might be partial conencted to the leveling-method, but its by no means exclusive.

So those who'd use the exploit in Fog fens even on the mudpuppies that don't give the spell and kill steal thunder sprites or use the exploit on the mudpuppies that do give the spell before it can go off is ok cause it doesn't hurt anyone let alone the puller. Got it. So I shouldn't want those who again must be using said exploit to instantly kill a lv 44 monster when their blue is lv 27 to get punished some how. Makes a lot of sense.

[Vidu]

So those who'd use the exploit in Fog fens even on the mudpuppies that don't give the spell and kill steal thunder sprites or use the exploit on the mudpuppies that do give the spell before it can go off is ok cause it doesn't hurt anyone let alone the puller. Got it. So I shouldn't want those who again must be using said exploit to instantly kill a lv 44 monster when their blue is lv 27 to get punished some how. Makes a lot of sense.

You still didnt get my point: Yes, it IS okay when a level 70 character (regardless wether they switched from bluemage to that job or are killing the mobs for a different, legit - drops, for example - reason) kills a mob - specially if its a mob that they pulled (even if they did so as bluemage).

You sound a lot like you're holding the believe that because you found a farm-spot that spot now belongs to you, which simply isnt the case. Open world mobs are fair game - and non of this is actually related to the exploit that people are being upset about.
You might (also) be upset about people "stealing" mobs, but the original topic was that people are leveling their bluemage through "exploits" and that other people are upset by that fact alone, without considering wether those people found a nice quite spot for themself, where they never stole any mobs and just happly switched between blu and blm to get their exp - or if they were "stealing" mobs in the open world from other people who were trying to level legit/get drops/get spells.

Mob-"stealing" (as long as they pull it first its not stealing - you dont own the mobs in the spot you found) and intional griefing are harming your experience, I get that. But the pure act of someone switching from blu to blm to kill a mob faster doesnt hurt you, no. And you especially dont get to claim that when it was a mob that the person in question pulled.

[SannaR]

You still didnt get my point: Yes, it IS okay when a level 70 character (regardless wether they switched from bluemage to that job or are killing the mobs for a different, legit - drops, for example - reason) kills a mob - specially if its a mob that they pulled (even if they did so as bluemage).

You sound a lot like you're holding the believe that because you found a farm-spot that spot now belongs to you, which simply isnt the case. Open world mobs are fair game - and non of this is actually related to the exploit that people are being upset about.
You might (also) be upset about people "stealing" mobs, but the original topic was that people are leveling their bluemage through "exploits" and that other people are upset by that fact alone, without considering wether those people found a nice quite spot for themself, where they never stole any mobs and just happly switched between blu and blm to get their exp - or if they were "stealing" mobs in the open world from other people who were trying to level legit/get drops/get spells.

Mob-"stealing" (as long as they pull it first its not stealing - you dont own the mobs in the spot you found) and intional griefing are harming your experience, I get that. But the pure act of someone switching from blu to blm to kill a mob faster doesnt hurt you, no. And you especially dont get to claim that when it was a mob that the person in question pulled.

I'm talking about when you or I go out of one's way to even find something like slyphs to go and grind on from 40+ that you pull only to have it dead while you or I have just pulled the thing. Not when some one else has pulled and you or I have tagged it. Along with having seen people kill mobs that can give spells before the thing has a chance to even do anything. You can't learn the spell then. I don't care if other's are in the zone or if others even tag it. But when the mob dies in a blink right after I've tagged it or before anyone else can or before the mob in question can do anything and all you see is the character blink or their hp bar change. IE the mob just instantly dies you don't even see the hp bar move.

[Reynhart]

Right because switching to a higher lv job and one shoting a spell mob or just a mob that's used just for xp before the spell is used or killing it right after the person pulls so the puller doesn't get any xp or get to learn the spell isn't hurting anyone one. /rolls eyes.

That's...a completely different topic, you know...It has nothing to do with "Switching to a high job then switching back to BLU before Xp calculation".

[Duskane]

im not surprised
they release a very exploitable job and people find exploits

[Jaggamond]

Another page out of the old book:

"Playing by the rules is for dummies!"

[24spencer]

protip: if you are legitimately fuming about this and trying to antagonize and witchhunt players who leveled their minigame job faster than you approve of then i think you need to take a deep breath and think about what happened in your life to lead you to this point.