Possible Gunblade Job teacher?

[Iscah]

MSQ characters aren't usually job NPCs. The exception was Estinien I think, but he was not a MSQ character in 2.x, when he was in the DRG job quest.

He was also involved in the Lv70 quest. Also, even with his heavy involvement in the ARR quests, he was never a "standing NPC" you could interact with. He just turned up in cutscenes, did his thing, and left again. Probably to avoid having him standing around in two places at once, if you were doing those quests during Heavensward.

Hilda took over as primary MCH questgiver during Stormblood, Y'mhitra (SMN) had a brief MSQ role in Heavensward and the Padjals (CNJ/WHM) have ongoing low-level MSQ appearances - plus the Amdapor dungeon unlock quests.

I'd say a better rule is that they won't pick characters who are heavily involved in the current expansion's MSQ. Being a job trainer locks them in place so they're always available for you to make quest progress.

[Duskane]

always felt Estinien was a after thought with the Drg lvl 70 quest because he did just show up
he did appear in SB msq twice possibly might get a greater role again in the story or he was just there to clean up the eyes

[Iscah]

always felt Estinien was a after thought with the Drg lvl 70 quest because he did just show up
he did appear in SB msq twice possibly might get a greater role again in the story or he was just there to clean up the eyes

He seems like an ongoing character now. I'd be surprised if he doesn't turn up in either MSQ or DRG quests for Shadowbringers.

Also the closing paragraph of his Tale from the Storm alludes to the three expansions (azure day, crimson dusk, black twilight) which again makes me think he'll continue to be involved.

His late entry into the DRG quests again seems to be because he "should" still be over in Gyr Abania seeking the Eyes and single-handedly destroying Garlean cannons at the point where you instead run into him hunting dragons in Othard. It would be even messier if he was involved in the quest for longer.

[SannaR]

Maybe he learned where the eyes were and until the end of the msq he knew he couldn't deal with them so that freed up some time to help you out. I like that he's just roaming around being a badass.

If they stick the gunblade teacher in an ARR area to me it's make the most sense to stick them in Gridania as it's the closest to where they would be coming from. With the wall near by and having had to deal with Ala Mhigo attacking them during the Autumn War.

[Kalise]

If they stick the gunblade teacher in an ARR area to me it's make the most sense to stick them in Gridania as it's the closest to where they would be coming from. With the wall near by and having had to deal with Ala Mhigo attacking them during the Autumn War.

To be fair, there's plenty of places that could make sense for ARR zones to have Gunblade teacher.

I mean, there's Mor Dhona with Castrum Centri, East Shroud with the wall that has Castrum Oriens on the other side, Eastern La Noscea with Castrum Occidens, Western Thanalan with Castrum Marinum (Off from Cape Westwind) and Northern Thanalan with Castrum Meridianum.

With Castrum Meridianum also containing the Praetorium, where we did things that could potentially make some Imperials wanna be not enemies any more at the end of the ARR storyline. There may also be people still loyal to Gaius van Baelsar there, in case there are any spoilery reasons why that fact might be relevant at all.

[SannaR]

To be fair, there's plenty of places that could make sense for ARR zones to have Gunblade teacher.

I mean, there's Mor Dhona with Castrum Centri, East Shroud with the wall that has Castrum Oriens on the other side, Eastern La Noscea with Castrum Occidens, Western Thanalan with Castrum Marinum (Off from Cape Westwind) and Northern Thanalan with Castrum Meridianum.

With Castrum Meridianum also containing the Praetorium, where we did things that could potentially make some Imperials wanna be not enemies any more at the end of the ARR storyline. There may also be people still loyal to Gaius van Baelsar there, in case there are any spoilery reasons why that fact might be relevant at all.

I'm not sure about that as how would it make sense if they came from those areas with how they've done the other newest job unlocks in just needing to have Prae finished. At that time most of them wouldn't know he's alive and there'd still be tension vs if it's to have any tie ins with the end of the 4.5 storyline and start of 5.0 it would make more sense to be put into Girdania as I doubt there's still not a lot of people who would know he's still alive as I'm sure he's sorta in the same boat as Nero in that he'd be arrested. Also they haven't done anything with those in the longest time. It would feel a little silly to say oh yeah there's stiiiil people in those places after all this time who must be starving or stealing food.

[Kalise]

I'm not sure about that as how would it make sense if they came from those areas with how they've done the other newest job unlocks in just needing to have Prae finished. At that time most of them wouldn't know he's alive and there'd still be tension vs if it's to have any tie ins with the end of the 4.5 storyline and start of 5.0 it would make more sense to be put into Girdania as I doubt there's still not a lot of people who would know he's still alive as I'm sure he's sorta in the same boat as Nero in that he'd be arrested.

Even if they don't know if he's alive (Spoilers).

They saw us kick his butt. They probably would be against us kicking their butt too. So why not swap sides and you know, help the person who not only kicked your bosses butt, but kicked the butt of the super weapon your boss was using and also kicked the butt of an Ascian. All in the short span of a single visit to your base...

Meanwhile, the fact that Baelsar got his butt kicked, started to get him a fair amount of scorn as a leader (Referenced later in the SB storylines), which follows the general attitude of the Imperials where showing weakness is not acceptable. It wouldn't be too hard to also then infer that people who were loyal to Baelsar would also receive scorn for believing in a weak leader. Even more so if they still were somewhat loyal to him despite believing he's dead.

So, there's at least some precedent for a motive for fleeing the imperials and siding with the WoL, even when isolated to merely ARR events, rather than much of the other Castrums where it's kind of just "Yeah, they just decided to desert the Imperials one day"

Of course, this is only predicated on if they DO in fact put the Gunblade job into the ARR timeline.

Also they haven't done anything with those in the longest time. It would feel a little silly to say oh yeah there's stiiiil people in those places after all this time who must be starving or stealing food.

Well... This is irrelevant, given that we're talking about doing something within the ARR timeline. Meaning there wouldn't be much time since Praetoreum and this guy showing up, given that this guy showing up would be the direct result of clearing Prae, thus it making a whole bunch of sense.

[Bright-Flower]

We also don't know if these new jobs are starting at 50 so far as I know. For SB they did, but we're an expansion later. What if the new jobs start at 60? That could open them up to starting in HW zones as well.

[SannaR]

I mean the whole reason why it's only after prae is so that the person has a lv 50 job and they seem to be wanting to have with SB and going forward have jobs not be locked behind expansion areas like the HW jobs are. There was a huge amount of unhappy people back when HW came out that were just starting the game when they couldn't just start in on Ast, Drk and Mch once they reached a certain point and that they had to slog through all of ARR. SE themselves even said that was a mistake and it's why we now have 3 jobs that start in ARR areas that only need you to have the 2.0 storyline done and a lv 50 battle class to unlock. It's partly why many have brought up people like Nero and others that we now know we can trust vs some unkwon npc who somehow survived our dives into their base messing up a lot of them and have us trust them.

[Kalise]

I mean the whole reason why it's only after prae is so that the person has a lv 50 job and they seem to be wanting to have with SB and going forward have jobs not be locked behind expansion areas like the HW jobs are. There was a huge amount of unhappy people back when HW came out that were just starting the game when they couldn't just start in on Ast, Drk and Mch once they reached a certain point and that they had to slog through all of ARR. SE themselves even said that was a mistake and it's why we now have 3 jobs that start in ARR areas that only need you to have the 2.0 storyline done and a lv 50 battle class to unlock.

Yeah, the thing to consider though, is that with each new expansion, simply tossing classes into ARR content starts to create an increasing issue of the levels you need to attain on said class to be able to participate in the current content.

With SB it was 20 levels you had to get through, with half of them actually being current content.

With ShB (God, I so hate the name of the next expansion xD) it'll be 30 levels you have to get through, with only a third of them being current content.

It's only going to get worse as each expac comes out.

So, it's not unlikely that they might put jobs in a later expansion, but not require the CURRENT expansion to have progress in (Which was part of the thing with the HW jobs, was that not only did you need to complete all of ARR, you then had to do HW quests until you were finally able to enter Ishgard. Something that annoyed me as I was trying to rush to try out Dork Knight ASAP and being really annoyed with how long it took before I could finally enter the city just to grab the class and go start beating up level 30 dudes to try and level >.>)

Thus, they could make it so you just have to complete Heavensward (Quest) and have a level 60 battle class and it could start at level 50-60 in some HW content. Or it could be just complete Stormblood (Quest) with a level 70 battle class and could start at level 60-70 in some SB content.

It's partly why many have brought up people like Nero and others that we now know we can trust

Speak for yourself, I trust Nero exactly as far as I can throw him.