(Spoilers) Ghimlyt difficulty was a step down from the Burn...and that needs to stop

[Alexandre_Noireau]

They do. It just doesn't happen to be dungeons. Savages and Ultimates are the hardcore content.

Asking the game to have a proper learning curve and difficulty progression that increases with level and new expansions, where players are teached progressively to improve at their classes now is "Hardcore".

[Deceptus]

Asking the game to have a proper learning curve and difficulty progression that increases with level and new expansions, where players are teached progressively to improve at their classes now is "Hardcore".

Again, the difficulty progression is Dungeons : 24 mans / Alphascape/Sigma/Omega : EX's : Savage : Ultimate. Don't attempt to pretend it doesn't exist.

[Averax]

Honestly the difficulty spike in The Burn is kind of stupid, and i usually like me some more difficult content. The rest of the dungeon is a snooze fest, the only thing that's really memorable about it is the final boss, where things just hit so hard so quickly it's a bit jarring. Ranged dps who like to sit on the edge of the arena are certain to die because i can't hit them with aoe healing, and all single target CDs are for the tank who WILL get wiped out by frost breath.

Ghimlyt Dark was kind of boring, but it had an adequate difficulty spike in relation to the rest of the bosses. A boss that pumps out group aoe after group aoe and then hurls a tank buster at you to make sure the healer isn't lagging or OoM isn't interesting design. It's frustrating.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Again, the difficulty progression is Dungeons : 24 mans / Alphascape/Sigma/Omega : EX's : Savage : Ultimate. Don't attempt to pretend it doesn't exist.

And that is bad.
Because clearly, many players are not learning anything by doing braindead, push over, 3 corridors 3 circular area, without a single mechanical requirement dungeons, and when they DO come across something slightly difficult, they crash bad. Let alone when they enter the 24 man.

Besides, the whole structure is just terrible, 24 raids should be the strongest ones, not the catch up ones. The only proper part here is Savage... Ultimate is just a weird experiment.

So yeah, the structure is there. And is bad.
I'll say it again, the game needs a proper learning and difficulty curve. Not 50 level tutorial full of irrelevant stuff that leave players unprepared for higher level content. And higher level content, starts at 50. Again, a level 70 dungeon shouldn't be as easy as a level 30 one.

Also arrange the denomination of duties, we have duties that have like 3 versions, while others on the same category have 2, is a whole mess. Is like they are making this stuff on the go instead of having a proper planification.

[Kazrah]

So yeah, the structure is there. And is bad.

It's only bad to players who fail to realize that at the end of the day, SE is trying to keep people playing. Make things too difficult, and they'd lose more subscriptions than they would making things too easy. So long as the vast majority of game income comes from casual players who just want simple fun rather than the tryhards wanting players to be more tryhard like them, that's the group that devs would best cater to.

As for Ghimlyt, I'd say it's right where it needs to be as far as difficulty goes. No excessively punishing boss mechanics, no mobs whose hit boxes cause players to have to move out of the healer's range, the mobs are scaled to be enough of a general challenge to players going in at minimum item level and the boss fights themselves are in-line with scaling as well. The only real complaint I have is that the item level requirement for it is oddly well above the item level of gear that drops from the other dungeons in the expert roulette group.

Also, if you want content to be more difficult, you can do that by yourself. Run harder content at minimum ilvl or on a job you barely know anything about. It's far easier for the player to make regular content more challenging than devs to make content that would please everyone all the time.

[Aeloria]

My parents play this game mostly for the story and crafting/gathering, dungeons really aren't their thing and struggle. I help them get through things, but Castrum flumis(sp) and the burn were absolute horrible to get them through just so they can watch a few more CS and go back to crafting/gathering. There is a time and a place for over the top mechanics and MSQ isn't it. Heck if the burn had been one of the side quest 4 man's i wouldn't be stating this opinion. I welcome getting them through this final 4man it will be a piece of cake. Anyway.

[Jijifli]

Again, the difficulty progression is Dungeons : 24 mans / Alphascape/Sigma/Omega : EX's : Savage : Ultimate. Don't attempt to pretend it doesn't exist.

And it sounds like it's doing a really bad job because by already the second step in your list, I already had to explain to people bare bone basics that make me question how they even made it to 70. An example bring O12 normal, where our warrior tank kept getting 1 shotted. Turned out, he had no idea what any of his defensive cooldowns were. You'd expect bare bone basics like reading your skills would be done by dungeons, but nope. I've seen it all the way up to savage, and it's disgusting.

[linay]

And it sounds like it's doing a really bad job because by already the second step in your list, I already had to explain to people bare bone basics that make me question how they even made it to 70. An example bring O12 normal, where our warrior tank kept getting 1 shotted. Turned out, he had no idea what any of his defensive cooldowns were. You'd expect bare bone basics like reading your skills would be done by dungeons, but nope. I've seen it all the way up to savage, and it's disgusting.

I'm guessing the problem there is the ability to use multiple jobs on one character combined with various ways to level. Unlock raid as DPS, level tank via deep dungeon or beast tribe quest, get some appropriate gears, and now you can enter raid as a tank without knowing your tank abilities.

[Jijifli]

I'm guessing the problem there is the ability to use multiple jobs on one character combined with various ways to level. Unlock raid as DPS, level tank via deep dungeon or beast tribe quest, get some appropriate gears, and now you can enter raid as a tank without knowing your tank abilities.

Tank example stated he'd played WAR since ARR.

... Since bloody ARR...

[linay]

Tank example stated he'd played WAR since ARR.

... Since bloody ARR...

As his main job? Those dungeons weren't exactly easy to do without using defensive cooldowns, at least in my experience. Unless he only went with really great friends who carried him, I am more inclined to believe that he lied to you than him using WAR as his main to 70 without knowing his abilities.