(Spoilers) Ghimlyt difficulty was a step down from the Burn...and that needs to stop

[Seraphor]

I've been in parties that have had multiple wipes in Ghimlyt Dark, and one abandoned...

One point to make is that towards the end of an expansion cycle, top gear progression far outpaces minimum gear progression.
This dungeon is what, Minimum ilvl 360 or something? Which means you have to balance it around that for players who have only just reached level 70, while up to date players will be ilvl 380+.

[Ilan]

I've been in parties that have had multiple wipes in Ghimlyt Dark, and one abandoned...

One point to make is that towards the end of an expansion cycle, top gear progression far outpaces minimum gear progression.
This dungeon is what, Minimum ilvl 360 or something? Which means you have to balance it around that for players who have only just reached level 70, while up to date players will be ilvl 380+.

How on earth is it even possible to wipe that hard, that someone votes abandon in there? Sure you can wipe if no one pays attention and everyone dies to BS, but for a vote abandon it had to be a group of disaster and not just newer players.

[AnimaAnimus]

How on earth is it even possible to wipe that hard, that someone votes abandon in there? Sure you can wipe if no one pays attention and everyone dies to BS, but for a vote abandon it had to be a group of disaster and not just newer players.

I think they are over exaggerating it. Even with a full pt of fresh 70s the most wipes of seen in there are 1, on the second boss when we didn't understand the charge move. Between 3 chars I have run that dungeon many many times now and there is barely even a single death, much less a wipe, much less a vote abandon. The dungeon is a faceroll.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

I think they are over exaggerating it. Even with a full pt of fresh 70s the most wipes of seen in there are 1, on the second boss when we didn't understand the charge move. Between 3 chars I have run that dungeon many many times now and there is barely even a single death, much less a wipe, much less a vote abandon. The dungeon is a faceroll.

Yesterday i wiped twice to the Aery second boss with a full +350 BLM and NIN, both had several classes level 70. They couldnt kill the mustard bomb that eats the gas clouds. We wiped to niddy, cause i was having an impossible time healing the loldrg because he was being struck by both large dragons and even remaining lizards that they couldnt thin down.

I'm not blaming them btw.

Im blaming the game for allowing them to reach those levels without teaching them basic mechanics and gameplay. Because all they need to progress in the story to some most points, is to press a few buttons in random order. 15 to 50 Dungeons should demand players to properly use their core skills, 51 through 60 should demand more tight DPS checks that used HW skills and so on, SB, dungeons should already be incorporating more punishing raid patterns so level 60+ players need to know the ins and outs of their classes if they wanna perform. A level 70 dungeons should require tanks to do basic agro management and stance dancing, DPS to properly burst and healers should be at least, needing to be aware of their MP managment and learn when to burst heal, when to passive heal, punish regens before pulls, etc, etc, etc.

If it's done properly, and should be done properly, there shouldn't be any issue as ARR dungeons would go teaching, HW dungeons would force more synergic gameplay and finally SB dungeons should train players for trials and raids. The guildhest system, should be what dungeons are, at large. At least from Sastacha to Brayflox, every dungeon should teach basic concept and mechanics of each role, each class even. The game needs to make sure players don't reach high level content if they are not prepared for it, and high level content should be that, high level. Lv 50 dungeons shouldnt even be similar to lv 60s, 70s and so on. Leveling dungeons of each expansion should focus on teaching the new additions to every class and give a small preview of new mechanics to come in the later stages.

The game already has more friendly (as to say, less strict) content, Palace of the Dead, Eureka, FATEs, Hunts... Dungeons shouldn't be one of them.

Also, enforce min ilvl to all dungeons, seriously. The sync in this game is broken and just destroys any fun of synced content. If a certain number of players is well above the sync, min ilvl should be a must.

[Ilan]

I think they are over exaggerating it. Even with a full pt of fresh 70s the most wipes of seen in there are 1, on the second boss when we didn't understand the charge move. Between 3 chars I have run that dungeon many many times now and there is barely even a single death, much less a wipe, much less a vote abandon. The dungeon is a faceroll.

Honetly i don't even believe that this was an exaggeration, i'm afraid thats exactly what happened. I think we all can remember the worst players that we ever had and if we mix them up together in a dungeon, this scenario doesn't seem so far off.

For normal, better and good players this dungeon is, of course, just faceroll even with the min ilvl.

[Katie_Kitty]

I've been in parties that have had multiple wipes in Ghimlyt Dark, and one abandoned...

One point to make is that towards the end of an expansion cycle, top gear progression far outpaces minimum gear progression.
This dungeon is what, Minimum ilvl 360 or something? Which means you have to balance it around that for players who have only just reached level 70, while up to date players will be ilvl 380+.

I actually left a party in the first week because my party members couldn't stay alive in the first boss. Apparently its spinning around and slamming the ground was too much for them..

My first group even 3 man'd the 2nd boss after the healer died midway through, and we didn't even struggle.

The 2nd boss is incredibly easy. Multiple times I've had my healer and both DPS die on me while tanking as PLD and each time I've solo'd it with no trouble. If you have a reliable self-heal and are capable of seeing the big red circle on the wall when he's about to storm through at you, then you almost can't lose to that boss.

[reivaxe]

I don't think any level cap dng is hard, just annoying.
I mean, what do I get from it? Trash mobs are not rewarding to kill as I'm max level and the EXP goes to waste. Most dngs lock you in an area until you'll killed all the things. The only real reason to run them is to get tomes and gear drops.

So the only thing I get from them is some sense of entertainment by the setting which this givesin better than most.