Primal Slaying

[Kalise]

Keep in mind that non echo blessed people 'can' kill primals, it's just usually a costly battle. The Company of Heroes and grand companies have killed primals before. The WOL having the echo just makes it safer and less costly to do so. Also Raubahn and Lyse help kill Lakshmi in 4.1.

So having some non echo blessed people help isn't unheard of either.

True.

Though, it's incredibly dangerous, due to the risk of being taken by the primals influence (Unless you have some people with the echo to play Missile Defence for you... Like with Arenvald when the meeting for Gyr Abania ended up with a summoning of Lakshmi, until Missile Defence turned into bullet hell and we needed Fordola, who I can accept having the Echo because she was given it artificially)

[leocordis]

Thanks everyone for the answers. It was just weird to me because one spot mentioned about Thordan how history will never know how we beat him by ourselves yet then lyse says we need help with Lakshmi

[Delily]

Thanks everyone for the answers. It was just weird to me because one spot mentioned about Thordan how history will never know how we beat him by ourselves yet then lyse says we need help with Lakshmi

It's stated that strength of a primal is related to the strength of the summoner's belief as well as the available aether. Thordan was like Shiva, in that he turned himself into a primal using mainly the aether stored in Niddhogg's eyes. I don't know if he was tempered (as it's never stated he had the Echo), but I'd say he didn't really have the level of faith in his idea of Thordan as tempered people do. The second time we fight Lakshmi, it's not that we really need her, it's that we're busy trying to protect everyone else.

[Bright-Flower]

It's stated that strength of a primal is related to the strength of the summoner's belief as well as the available aether. Thordan was like Shiva, in that he turned himself into a primal using mainly the aether stored in Niddhogg's eyes. I don't know if he was tempered (as it's never stated he had the Echo), but I'd say he didn't really have the level of faith in his idea of Thordan as tempered people do. The second time we fight Lakshmi, it's not that we really need her, it's that we're busy trying to protect everyone else.

We're busy doing that in the first phase but then AFTER everyone gets rescued she and Raubahn stay behind to fight because 'it takes more than three to beat a primal.' And for what it's worth, you need her attack at the end to finish off Lakshmi before Fordola's barrier breaks. Or at least I did maybe I just had crap dps on the three characters I did the fight on.

[Iscah]

Thordan was like Shiva, in that he turned himself into a primal using mainly the aether stored in Niddhogg's eyes. I don't know if he was tempered (as it's never stated he had the Echo), but I'd say he didn't really have the level of faith in his idea of Thordan as tempered people do.

I think he was tempered - or "blessed" as the specific term for that primal puts it.

I'm not certain but I think the very first time we talk to him, and he reveals the Ascians are trying to tempt him with power and he's "playing along" for now, he's still himself. But sometime after that, the Ascians must show him how to work the summoning for the first time, and that's when he becomes truly villainous.