Crafting requirements.

[Adren]

Someone explain to me the reason Heavensward crafting, Archaeornis leather for example, recommends 468 craftsmanship (and darn near requires it to HQ an item) when the best you can do without needlessly grinding through hours of old content to get equipment that you would have over leveled by the time you get it is 414?

Currently in level 50 greens (Artisan gear, Ilevel 70 which is better than the Ilevel 65 level 51 HQ crafted gear and no the jewelry isn't pentamelded because it's a massive waste and utterly useless to pentameld that gear for one level) the best I can do is around 414 unmelded. So why is it that Archaeornis leather recommends 468? It makes no sense that with HQ crafted level 51 gear the most craftsmanship you will have (Chest is 105, Mainhand, level 52 btw, is 170, off hand is 139 not counting materia) is 414 and the items you need to craft recommends 468.

I understand this is because when HW came out they had to make it challenging for people with Ilevel 6,000,000,000. However, since HW isn't the "latest and greatest" content why didn't they streamline the jump between level 50 and HW? Why is it that for new players to HQ a leve item they have to either A.) grind through countless hours of old content to get the gear required only to be 4 levels over that gear when you get it because the level 51 HQ crafted gear isn't up to snuff to actually make level 51 crafts or B.) have a gracious friend who's already dealt with SE's incompetence and will craft the items for you?

The more I remember what I had to go through when I was leveling up when HW was "new" by hearing friends who I invite to play the game complain about it now the more I'm reminded of the original ff14 debacle.

[Thamorian]

I'm not sure I understand what issue you are having? If you are trying to gain levels through crafting stuff, either stay on easier crafts or use levequests for a little while to get the experience needed to level 61? If you're complaining that 60 mastercraft items are to hard to craft, then again, level up and get to higher level with better gear where it won't matter that they need high stats for level 60 because you can be at level 70 with level 70 gear. Even the starter ilvl 290 crafting set is more than enough to craft lvl 60 mastercraft gear.

EDIT: Misread, thought you were trying to go from HW to SB but I see now you are going from ARR to HW but same princaples apply. Either craft easier stuff or do levequests to get to level 52 so you can wear HW crating gear which has the stats needed for HW stuff. You can even have a friend craft levequest items for you to help you make the jump with HQ turn ins. If you have no one that will craft HW items for you to turn in, then use the lvl 45 levequests. It will take a few more levequests but they will get you leveled up all the same.

[Adren]

I'm not sure I understand what issue you are having? If you are trying to gain levels through crafting stuff, either stay on easier crafts or use levequests for a little while to get the experience needed to level 61? If you're complaining that 60 mastercraft items are to hard to craft, then again, level up and get to higher level with better gear where it won't matter that they need high stats for level 60 because you can be at level 70 with level 70 gear. Even the starter ilvl 290 crafting set is more than enough to craft lvl 60 mastercraft gear.

EDIT: Misread, thought you were trying to go from HW to SB but I see now you are going from ARR to HW but same princaples apply. Either craft easier stuff or do levequests to get to level 52 so you can wear HW crating gear which has the stats needed for HW stuff. You can even have a friend craft levequest items for you to help you make the jump with HQ turn ins. If you have no one that will craft HW items for you to turn in, then use the lvl 45 levequests. It will take a few more levequests but they will get you leveled up all the same.

You misunderstand. I'm level 50 in all craft classes with some at 70. I have no issue HQing anything. My issue is that I put my reputation on the line by recommending a game and those new players who want to level as fast as possible through old content have problems HQing a leve item in all HQ crafted, level appropriate gear because the level 51 crafted white gear doesn't even meet the recommended stats to HQ an item. This is because of the Ilevel gap between maxed ARR gear when SB came out and the starting SB white gear. Level 50 greens are Ilevel 70 while SB white level 51 gear is 65. It makes no logical sense and new players get frustrated with it. I ground out the level they shouldn't have to now that SB isn't the "Newest" content. SE should go back and streamline that stuff.

[Thamorian]

You misunderstand. I'm level 50 in all craft classes with some at 70. I have no issue HQing anything. My issue is that I put my reputation on the line by recommending a game and those new players who want to level as fast as possible through old content have problems HQing a leve item in all HQ crafted, level appropriate gear because the level 51 crafted white gear doesn't even meet the recommended stats to HQ an item. This is because of the Ilevel gap between maxed ARR gear when SB came out and the starting SB white gear. Level 50 greens are Ilevel 70 while SB white level 51 gear is 65. It makes no logical sense and new players get frustrated with it. I ground out the level they shouldn't have to now that SB isn't the "Newest" content. SE should go back and streamline that stuff.

Oooooohhhhh Noooooo!!!!! Your fragile reputation will be shattered because some people have to use a few extra leves to get over the expansion bump! What ever will you dooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Yeah no one cares except you that there is an expansion bump which SE has already had a solution in game for from the start.

[Adren]

Oooooohhhhh Noooooo!!!!! Your fragile reputation will be shattered because some people have to use a few extra leves to get over the expansion bump! What ever will you dooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Yeah no one cares except you that there is an expansion bump which SE has already had a solution in game for from the start.

OHHHH NOOOOO someone got their feels hurt cause someone insulted SE and has to rush to the defense of their favorite company!!!. Now you have to post about it!!!! Poor poor feels. Lol. Must be SOOOO hard living with such tender feels. Maybe if SE had used some logic then their half baked solution wouldn't have been necessary?

[Thamorian]

OHHHH NOOOOO someone got their feels hurt cause someone insulted SE and has to rush to the defense of their favorite company!!!. Now you have to post about it!!!! Poor poor feels. Lol. Must be SOOOO hard living with such tender feels. Maybe if SE had used some logic then their half baked solution wouldn't have been necessary?

Says the guy who is worried about his reputation over something so silly LOL!

Again, this is a not an issue nor is it half baked. Most people use leves to level crafting and they have no issues with the expansion bumps.

Edit: Also to add, if someone doesn't want to use all the tools SE has provided them, thats not SE's fault. That's kinda like someone leveling a new combat class by only killing monsters while avoiding FATES, dungeons, daily roulettes PotD/HoH, battle leves, etc. then complaining leveling is slow and regular monsters don't give enough experience.

[ErryK]

OHHHH NOOOOO someone got their feels hurt cause someone insulted SE and has to rush to the defense of their favorite company!!!. Now you have to post about it!!!! Poor poor feels. Lol. Must be SOOOO hard living with such tender feels. Maybe if SE had used some logic then their half baked solution wouldn't have been necessary?

Get over yourself, my dude. It's just a recommendation. You don't need to make everything HQ, you've never been able to HQ stuff early on anyways without % chance, ie. Level 1 WVR with Level 1 gear HQing a Level 1 recipe is impossible unless RNG blesses you. On-level or not, doesn't matter, you're not doing it unless you got the skills/stats for it, whether that's higher or lower than the recommendation.

[Hamada]

You misunderstand. I'm level 50 in all craft classes with some at 70. I have no issue HQing anything. My issue is that I put my reputation on the line by recommending a game and those new players who want to level as fast as possible through old content have problems HQing a leve item in all HQ crafted, level appropriate gear because the level 51 crafted white gear doesn't even meet the recommended stats to HQ an item. This is because of the Ilevel gap between maxed ARR gear when SB came out and the starting SB white gear. Level 50 greens are Ilevel 70 while SB white level 51 gear is 65. It makes no logical sense and new players get frustrated with it. I ground out the level they shouldn't have to now that SB isn't the "Newest" content. SE should go back and streamline that stuff.

SB white level ?????????
Look I got no clue what you are trying to say but ill do my best to help you.

When you are going from ARR crafting to hw, you are going to have issues 50-53, i think if you are trying to rush it because of the level of gear for the upgrades.
51 for armor
52 for tool
53 for offhand

once you get 53 ether by leves, moogles, grand company, etc, you be fine. A new player is not going to be able to craft their own current HQ level leve items for hw till 53. For those that grind at 50 and got the higher ilevel 50 gear, this issue doesn't exist. If your rep is hurt because you missed a detail? oh well? if they insist doing it solo there is always the option of dealing with it by have them do thier best, pray to rngesus, and hope for some hqs. turning in nq for free extra exp will not end your world. (btw the logic is the same for hw to sb)

Also the recommended stat thing is for quick synth, you are not supposed to meet those being new to your level (like being level 50 in level 50 starter gear is not going to be abye QS the 50 star items) that is there for specifically out gearing it so people that have deeper progress are not wasting their time on old content, this is very much intended.

[Kaurhz]

The craftsmanship estimations are complete nonsense and based strictly on the recipe level of the craft itself. So take those with a real pinch of salt

If you're struggling then I would suggest just grinding out NQ 40 durability items with exp manuals and catching up on your crafter quests 1-50.. Doing both of these will ideally carry you to Lv 53, then you can just buy HQ gear on the MB for cheap.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Crafting is a long-play game. I don't know how many of your crafting classes you're levelling but even with on-level gear, unless you have some cross-role skills from other crafting classes (usually given at 15 and 50) you're going to have a very, very difficult time HQing things. It's set up to be a whole minigame of its own. I wouldn't even attempt to HQ current master book 6 recipes if I didn't have multiple crafting classes levelled, and I've got full pentamelded current gear (at level 70).

Things get better from 60-70 because the skills are evened out, but without the unique skills, gear will only take you so far. Honestly, levequests were how I levelled all of my crafting classes - I don't have the time or patience for that sort of grinding.