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    seraseth's Avatar
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    Velikayl Minx
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    100 people polled all from the same small town are not going to be representative of an entire country. They'll probably be a pretty good representation of that town.

    SE has posted themselves that less than 3% of players regularly post in the forums, and something like over 60% have never stepped foot here. So even if you had 100% unanimous support for something on the forum, it would still be an absolutely minuscule portion of players, and therefore not remotely representative of the player base.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Blue Mage has Flying Sardine.

    I can throw fishes at 10 potency.

    Best class ever.
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    Leyna Crosse
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    I cant play until tonight, but does learning BLU spells work like in XI where you had to be facing the monster to learn a spell? If you faced away you didnt "see" it and therefore didnt learn it.
    Could you team up with a tank for example and have them hold the mob until it uses the correct attack and then kill it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    I cant play until tonight, but does learning BLU spells work like in XI where you had to be facing the monster to learn a spell? If you faced away you didnt "see" it and therefore didnt learn it.
    Could you team up with a tank for example and have them hold the mob until it uses the correct attack and then kill it?

    yes you can team up and learn skills with a tank helping you, but no, you dont need to be facing it. as long as it used the skill and it dies, you have a chance of learning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira View Post
    yes you can team up and learn skills with a tank helping you, but no, you dont need to be facing it. as long as it used the skill and it dies, you have a chance of learning it.
    Cool. Thats awesome! Thanks!
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    Fredya Falenas
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    The poll is pretty valid. Also i don't see anyone else doing numbers, might as well take what we have.

    The reception of this content, as with any content, has been mixed as usual. I'll reserve my comments on it till i play it, but i would like to hear why is it a "Masterpiece of Game Design" - Causa that i reserve only for cases like Dark Souls, Alundra, DOOM, Vagrant Story, Chrono Trigger... Unless is the absolute revolution that is gonna bring back to life the MMORPG genre from its ashes, bigger than World of Warcraft "questing". I would hardly call this a "Masterpiece of Game Design".

    Unless i'm wrong and im losing on the best gaming experience since Nier Automata and God of War.

    -----

    This is the problem with the community at large. Some would praise every step of the DevTeam as it was gospel revealed and will completely ignore any (even the devs saying themselves they were not so "ok" with some content... see people that still defends Pagos, and Eureka as a whole) fault, or people that just puts its finger on a issue, be it small (let's say... lack of some party options on Mahjong) or huge (no ultrawide cutscene support in 2019, graphics on PC in general, the state of huge chunks of dead content...) and claim the game is doomed (It's making money so no, is not, sigh these people...) when indeed both are: Wrong.

    Also, for me is kinda nice to see the cultural differences between east and western players, and even if we, western players are indeed the majority the game must be made so it can be played, enjoyed and be meaningful to both. I'll bring mahjong again since is new: For us westeners, mahjong is barely a game in our win install, yet for eastern countries, mahjong is one of the most popular and played "board games", like we play Chess, Poker, Dominoes, etc. For those countries these addition must be nothing short of great, for us, most of us is probably scratching their head and wondering why a GS mini game can last up to 1 hour as if it was a 24man raid.

    See, that's the issue, and i bet BLU will be referenced in any both ways across the boards and boards of micro communities. Thus, i suggest everyone from not taking anyone's word, not even mine, and just try it for yourself. If you found a good argument on as to why BLU is either good or bad, please bring it to the boards. Do not just call it "terrible, literally unplayable, worst class ever, blahblahblah" or "the greatest class ever introduced, masterpiece of game design, revolutionary, blehblehbleh" Without an argument for that. The closest this game was to be a "Masterpiece" was during the 1.0 to 2.0 transition, the whole thing went down into gaming's history. Yet it had more to do with the whole franchise than just FFXIV, and even if it was only FFXIV was not really about it's concepts, designs or game related stuff, but mostly about the history of the devs and the whole production process, not the product itself. Well. Must be someone that thinks FFXIV is the greatest videogame ever made...
    (3)
    "The will of my friends has etched into my heart, and now ill transform this infinite darkness into eternal light
    Unmatched in heaven and earth, one body and one soul that challenge the gods!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    The poll is pretty valid. Also i don't see anyone else doing numbers, might as well take what we have.The reception of this content, as with any content, has been mixed as usual. I'll reserve my comments on it till i play it, but i would like to hear why is it a "Masterpiece of Game Design" - Causa that i reserve only for cases like Dark Souls, Alundra, DOOM, Vagrant Story, Chrono Trigger... Unless is the absolute revolution that is gonna bring back to life the MMORPG genre from its ashes, bigger than World of Warcraft "questing". I would hardly call this a "Masterpiece of Game Design".

    Unless i'm wrong and im losing on the best gaming experience since Nier Automata and God of War.

    -----

    This is the problem with the community at large. Some would praise every step of the DevTeam as it was gospel revealed and will completely ignore any (even the devs saying themselves they were not so "ok" with some content... see people that still defends Pagos, and Eureka as a whole) fault, or people that just puts its finger on a issue, be it small (let's say... lack of some party options on Mahjong) or huge (no ultrawide cutscene support in 2019, graphics on PC in general, the state of huge chunks of dead content...) and claim the game is doomed (It's making money so no, is not, sigh these people...) when indeed both are: Wrong.

    Also, for me is kinda nice to see the cultural differences between east and western players, and even if we, western players are indeed the majority the game must be made so it can be played, enjoyed and be meaningful to both. I'll bring mahjong again since is new: For us westeners, mahjong is barely a game in our win install, yet for eastern countries, mahjong is one of the most popular and played "board games", like we play Chess, Poker, Dominoes, etc. For those countries these addition must be nothing short of great, for us, most of us is probably scratching their head and wondering why a GS mini game can last up to 1 hour as if it was a 24man raid.

    See, that's the issue, and i bet BLU will be referenced in any both ways across the boards and boards of micro communities. Thus, i suggest everyone from not taking anyone's word, not even mine, and just try it for yourself. If you found a good argument on as to why BLU is either good or bad, please bring it to the boards. Do not just call it "terrible, literally unplayable, worst class ever, blahblahblah" or "the greatest class ever introduced, masterpiece of game design, revolutionary, blehblehbleh" Without an argument for that. The closest this game was to be a "Masterpiece" was during the 1.0 to 2.0 transition, the whole thing went down into gaming's history. Yet it had more to do with the whole franchise than just FFXIV, and even if it was only FFXIV was not really about it's concepts, designs or game related stuff, but mostly about the history of the devs and the whole production process, not the product itself. Well. Must be someone that thinks FFXIV is the greatest videogame ever made...
    After trying it.

    I like it, i think is a fun concept and if the carnival is any good (as into, carefully programed and not just randomly generated) it could be amazing. Yet i also think, this design is way too "solo" oriented, along the squadrons and the future trust system.... And probably other exclusive classes added with similar focus, i think is to early in the life cycle of this game to be implimenting this kind of features. Then again, only SE whats the reason behind this.

    All i know, is that translating the "Blue Mage" to an MMORPG so strict and limited by its roles and their performance as this one, was not possible in this current form. Either the blue mage would have had to be changed too much to be considered "The Blue Mage" or the game would have needed a whole different balance between roles, maybe this iteration of Blue Mage of FFXIV, would work on dungeon/raid/competitive/pvp environments more openly if we had a fourth role of supporters and enfeebler classes (role that is spreaded through our trinity in the form of the role skills) or we had hybrid roles like DPS/healers or Tank/Healers (again, we kinda have this, but still severely limited) but both were unavailable i guess.

    Maybe this is the future to not alter the (in my honest opinion, limiting and punishing to both players and design) "perfect balance" persuit of the devteam for our game classes. Solo oriented classes that don't really intervine "multiplayer classes" on more competitive/performance focused content and have their own, separate, with consideration more vertical progress.

    Then again, is also not that solo at the moment that is.... But mostly because we all jumping wagons, as guides get written, videos exposed and the hype fades, let say, 2 weeks. It will probably be a very solo gameplay oriented class.

    This is so good and so bad. But if anything, i'd say: Too Early.
    (0)
    "The will of my friends has etched into my heart, and now ill transform this infinite darkness into eternal light
    Unmatched in heaven and earth, one body and one soul that challenge the gods!"

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    Andevom Vonskivaux
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    If you really want to protest BLU, the simple way is to not do the content. Yet it seems like every instance of Limsa Lominsa was packed full of people waiting for the quest to drop. That alone should tell you this was not as big a misstep as some would like you to believe.
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  9. #9
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Aside of whether the number of votes in a poll is suitable for representing the overall population, it's also different if the poll is truly random or voluntary. Selecting 100 random forum members and requiring them to fill out a survey will be a better representation of "what everyone thinks" than offering a voluntary survey that gets filled out by 100 people who have strong enough feelings on it to want to vote.
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    Jkap Goat
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 80
    I'm really enjoying BLU alot
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