Aspects of all primals so far

[YianKutku]

The ice puddle is from the lancer add.

Hm, checking a video guide (why does FFXIV not have a repository of text-and-image guides), you're right. As Healer main, I mostly remembered trying to heal and rez people who got dragged through the ice puddle, and didn't actually notice where it came from.

[Eloah]

At least on Sophia Normal (I've never done EX), she drops an ice puddle right before the first platform tilt. It causes a fairly nasty Frostbite DoT.

Ah, I see where you're getting that. I think that is actually the add the drops that, the Third Demiurge I think, the lancer. But even if it is him, she summoned them, so by proximity I guess, lol.

[ObsidianFire]

The Demiurges are tempered Meradycians that the Allagan's kept in stasis. They functioned like the dragons in Dalamud until Sophia tempered one of the Garleans to let the Demiurges out. They probably know ice magic for the same reason we know ice magic.

[LineageRazor]

As for Sephirot swap Wind and Water and you're good. And I'm not saying that just to say it, his attributes, theme, and lore all focus on earth and water. I mean he's a frickin tree. But wind could be a tertiary.

Even if you choose to disregard the color coding (almost universally, in this game, yellow/brown = earth, and green = wind), none of Sephy's green attacks look at all watery, unless you equate the green domes to bubbles. On the other hand, many of his green attacks look DISTINCTLY windy. As has been stated, Sephirot's attack names are not elementally inclined, but if you're going to shoehorn elements into Sephy's attacks, earth and wind are the most likely suspects, his nature as a tree be damned.

Sorry, but as much as I might wish it otherwise, the Warring Triad does not have an even distribution of elements. Drives the OCD haywire, I know, but folks just gotta learn to accept it!

[Dreggit]

Phoenix is a Primal we (I suppose not cannon if you dont do the coils) defeat in the Coils, yes?

[LineageRazor]

Phoenix is a Primal we (I suppose not cannon if you dont do the coils) defeat in the Coils, yes?

That is correct.

However, it bears mentioning that Louisoix-as-Phoenix is not THE legendary Phoenix. Much like Suzaku, his firebird form was patterned after a legend. In her case, it was her fervent wish to bring her deceased love back to life that caused Suzaku to gain the form and powers of the legend, and in Louisoix's case it was the prayers and wishes of the people for life and rebirth that shaped the Primal he became.

It's not known if the legend of the Phoenix stems from an actual creature lost to the mists of time, or whether it's simply a storytale, but it seems to be known the world over regardless!

[Eloah]

Even if you choose to disregard the color coding (almost universally, in this game, yellow/brown = earth, and green = wind), none of Sephy's green attacks look at all watery, unless you equate the green domes to bubbles. On the other hand, many of his green attacks look DISTINCTLY windy. As has been stated, Sephirot's attack names are not elementally inclined, but if you're going to shoehorn elements into Sephy's attacks, earth and wind are the most likely suspects, his nature as a tree be damned.

Sorry, but as much as I might wish it otherwise, the Warring Triad does not have an even distribution of elements. Drives the OCD haywire, I know, but folks just gotta learn to accept it!

I've given examples and explaination in several threads and don't wish to repeat myself; though no one seems to give a Wind example besides the Storm of Words attack, which is him talking. Some of his attacks have a fire animation, so is he Fire then too? Could we just agree he's Earth and not add a second element. And even then he's not earth in the sense as we know it he's an embodiment of nature, hence the green.

Also his nature as a tree is very significant considering that's the object that was worshipped to bring him into existance. The race that worshipped him was also tree-like. A great many references are to him being a tree. Heck, the unlock quest is called "When the Bough Wakes", a bough is the main branch of a tree.

[ObsidianFire]

There's been several examples given in many different directions regarding why people think Sephirot's elements are what they think they are. At this point, we're at the "agree to disagree" stage since there is very little hard canon info about Sephirot's elements. It's very subjective, except for the "Storm of the Words" attack.

I know I've checked out of this entire discussion since I ultimately disagree with the entire premise of it.

[Eloah]

There's been several examples given in many different directions regarding why people think Sephirot's elements are what they think they are. At this point, we're at the "agree to disagree" stage since there is very little hard canon info about Sephirot's elements. It's very subjective, except for the "Storm of the Words" attack.

I know I've checked out of this entire discussion since I ultimately disagree with the entire premise of it.

I can agree to that. But the reason I mentioned Storm of Words isn't Wind based as many have claimed, it's him "talking", is because the name, like a lot of his attacks, is a religious reference. In this case it references a book.

Storm of Words

I'll admit it the title could seem very coincidental. But the fact that the book is about a restructuring of religion, with scientific bases, cannot be ignored. Since not only is Sephirot's fight heavily based on religion, but the entire Warring Triad lore.

[Lusavari]

How does Sophia have Ice as a tertiary element? Not saying it's wrong, just nothing in her fight seems to point to Ice.

As for Sephirot swap Wind and Water and you're good. And I'm not saying that just to say it, his attributes, theme, and lore all focus on earth and water. I mean he's a frickin tree. But wind could be a tertiary.

Doesn't Zurvan have one?

Curious how you got fire and water for Lakshmi. Not saying that's wrong, but her theme, lore, and attributes align more with fire and earth. Her being a goddess of wealth and prosperity through gemcraft.

Also why not list Susano's water and lightning, and dark? (Dark is not evil)

I have a more detailed explaination on this thread from a while back.
older thread

Sephirot has 1 water attack, and that's only used in phase 1. He has far more wind moves like his breath that pushes you back, and the ability that pops you into the air. Ratzon is his sole water move I believe. His colors based move is also wind (Green) and Earth (Yellow). Besides Storm of Words, he pushes you back using his breath, Malkuth. That's pretty windy. Ascension is the action after Storm of Words that shoots you into the air. Da'at in Hebrew means something about an empty state... which could imply a vacuum... which would be associated with air rushing in to fill the empty space. Trees in the Square Enix world also tend to be associated with wind, hence why wind is green.

One of the main waits you can derive tertiary elements is adds. The Ananta during the extreme phase cast water spells, while Water IIIs will occasionally rain down. Her other attacks, such as the one that leaves puddles, leaves a blue flame effect.

Sophia's Adds use Ice magic. Similar to Ravana's butterflies.