Thread: So about WHM aggro in 4.5

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

I kind of mentioned this is another thread but to add it here:
WHM's opener now generates more aggro, not less. +100 healing potency mean +800 healing aggro when you consider there's 8 party members. And Assize has no enmity reduction.

With that being said, I did notice aggro reduction in certain healing intensive phases - most chiefly, patch into ion efflux into hello world. Even popping shroud there, I'd often catch right back up with the amount of healing required. Now the lead tanks have is a bit more comfortable.

So I think it's mostly going to be the start of things like... well, add phases. Or if you went back and did some fight with aggro reset mechanics. Enmity around these kind of places is still something to watch.

Assize didn't get enmity reduction because side effects don't generate aggro so it only generates aggro based on how much damage it deals. Yes, the healing part of Assize is a side-effect like Bloodbath, Earthly Star, Synastry, 50% selfheal from Clemency etc.
However, apparently regen part of Asylum, Medica II and Regen are not changed and generate aggro like previously. Medica II with Cure III were the biggest culprits behind WHM's tank like aggro gen so Medica II's unchanged regen effect is probably the reason why WHMs still rip aggro so easily.

Originally Posted by AleXwern

Assize didn't get enmity reduction because side effects don't generate aggro so it only generates aggro based on how much damage it deals. Yes, the healing part of Assize is a side-effect like Bloodbath, Earthly Star, Synastry, 50% selfheal from Clemency etc.
However, apparently regen part of Asylum, Medica II and Regen are not changed and generate aggro like previously. Medica II with Cure III were the biggest culprits behind WHM's tank like aggro gen so Medica II's unchanged regen effect is probably the reason why WHMs still rip aggro so easily.

This is really interesting information, thank you so much for sharing! Honestly didn't know that. However, it's pretty dumb to not reduce enmity generation on Hots, since that's literally where most of our enmity even comes from! Hilariously useless 'buff'...

I'll say this: My comms are still going to NIN who smoke screen me.

Prior to 4.5 I pulled the most hate during trash pulls in PUG dungeons. My opener on trash is typically Swiftcast+Holy, Cleric stance, Aero 3, Aero 2, PoM, Holy, Assize, Holy, Lucid dreaming, plus regen is active. The tank absolutely must be generating agro during this time, or I will get hate. This hasn't changed at all. I just ran Skalla last night and I was pulling hate all over the place.

Now by saying "most hate", that doesn't mean it's happening all the time. Only that this is the situation where it is more frequent. I bring up NIN smoke screen because this is what WHM needs. An ability that reduces the amount of enmity they generate, not a tool that cuts it in half. The latter's effectiveness is increased the greater the enmity is, while the former performs optimally for each skill the WHM uses. They honestly could have changed LD to do that instead of reducing enmity on all of our healing abilities and this thread probably wouldn't even exist.