[Spoilers] Marker Placement on the third boss of the new raid

[CaptainLagbeard]

You spread out for tethers, and you move away for crush blades, its not difficult and i haven't seen a wipe because of these.
Overlapping bubbles because people didnt get to the back in time, or went the wrong way because the marker being in a circle was misleading, are far more likely.
Having the markers on the bridge doesnt mean everyone stays stacked on the bridge the entire fight.

Personally, I haven't seen a single wipe caused by the bubbles overlapping, their damage is actually surprisingly low, it'd take at least 4 out of 6 of them overlapping to do it... It's more that everyone seems to forget Duskblade comes up and don't move which then wipes the raid...

And ironically, the Duskblade cast actually gives some peace to heal up the damage.

[Enla]

Honestly I don't trust rando's enough to use the border method. There's been one too many instances of them dropping the chase puddle on the middle of the party or flailing about for which place to stack for duskblade that makes me vastly prefer the left method. Also like Captain said, the bubbles overlapping isn't going to kill you. The bleed is absolutely annoying but it's failing other mechanics that does you in when it's there.

If this was an 8-man I'd be down for using the first strat. As it stands I've seen more success with the second one with barely any positives to recommend the first with human error being the true killer in that particular fight. It's also easier to explain to panicked newbies to treat it like Ozma with muscle memory being a powerful tool.

All that said though whichever strat the majority of the raid agrees with, I'll go with. This fight isn't hard in the slightest and that fact allows both strats to be viable. It's just human error throwing potential monkey wrenches into the mix that spices things up.

[Vaer]

The only thing i see being a problem is the "in or out" nature of his sword attacks (i dont remember what they're called). People will have to decide a left or right inner/outer circle depending on the attack as the marker placement isn't safe for either (I think, i never stood there but it looks too close).

either way, not too difficult to teach or understand, but I'll never forget the Bard I had that ate literally every single aoe/mechanic the game threw at them for the entire duration of the lockout. Literally beat the raid at 10 minutes left. nothing will help those poor souls.

In/Out is fairly easy to dodge from the bridge, you can move a couple steps down or up diagonally and dodge it. You just have to be above the top line of the "bridges" to dodge in, and below the bottom line of the bridges to dodge "out."

I'd probably end up using the 2nd method even if they put ozma markers down. Makes it easier to reach the duskblade from the bridge/more braindead to tell which are yours since it's just left/right and centralizes the group for healing no matter which circle is safe for his other attacks. From doing a ton of EX primals (esp Suzaku), "go clockwise from marker" is still something people tend to screw up.

Doesn't really matter too much in the long run since you can adjust to either method but having one accepted strategy would help it go smoother.

[ElHeggunte]

I much prefer the bridge strat. Much less movement, more space for tethers and deathbeams, and less chance of groups overlapping because people still don’t know their left from their right.

Now we just need to agree on In or Out for the add phase. In has its merits, but I think Out is more consiyystent since no one is ever close enough to the center to properly do In.

[Nestama]

Thank you for posting this. I got yelled at for placing markers in between the circles as depicted in the second image. Somebody kept removing my markers and set them up with the Ozma marker placement. As a result, players from team A kept dropping their meteors on our circle and team C ended up wiping. I find the Ozma marker placement to be way more confusing for players.

You and me, both. Any time I placed them on the bridge, someone on the other alliance would delete them and then go for the image on the left... or go the extra mile and include every single Waymark: A+1, B+2, C+D.
Heck, one of the reasons this one person gave is: "I'm not going on the bridge. It's Fing dumb."

Speaking of Ozma, I also put the waymarks on the bridges in that fight. This allowed new players to the fight to realise they made a mistake if they dropped their Meteors to the right.

[Endeleon]

You spread out for tethers, and you move away for crush blades, its not difficult and i haven't seen a wipe because of these.
Overlapping bubbles because people didnt get to the back in time, or went the wrong way because the marker being in a circle was misleading, are far more likely.
Having the markers on the bridge doesnt mean everyone stays stacked on the bridge the entire fight.

But uh, what exactly is so difficult about "Go left"? I know people struggled with prime numbers in Ridorana but are we seriously at the point of not knowing left from right?

[BubblyBoar]

You say that, but people still go right on Ozma

[Rhus]

I wonder if the left is an NA thing as my four runs this week so far have all used the right side and from chats with friends they also use that method afaik. Didn't even know left was a thing.

[Enla]

You say that, but people still go right on Ozma

And on Thunder God people still run out of the duskblade or drop the shard eruptions on the party for the sake of their DPS. You can't cure either willful stupidity or sheer blind panic.

[Seraphor]

Some people also don't speak english, and I've seriously had people respond to me on Ozma with "well I've always gone right".
Placing it on the bridge leaves no room for misunderstanding, those are your two circles clearly marked.