Why another complex minigame that will probably die in 2 weeks?

[Atlas-04]

Mahjong will be dead very quickly. It has a very steep learning curve and most players will be trapped in a hour long game vs players who might know what they are doing. Sitting there for that long and getting no finished hands is pretty demoralizing. Not to mention there are 0 rewards for doing it. That kind of time investment should at least offer some kind of in game reward just for play time. Give me some MGP, I would be more willing to have my butt kicked if I was getting that as well.

The amount of time REQUIRED to learn different hands and actual strategy is beyond anything a casual player will do for this mini game. I'll probably stick to playing it with just 3 friends and ignore the ranked part. The player base in that will shrink fast.

[Dyvid]

Honestly it's Mahjong. It's difficult to understand because westerners grow-up playing card games like spades, gin, poker, blackjack, etc. If you flip the script I'm sure our Asian counterparts would be raking their brains trying to figure out how to play.

This is a game designed more for a group of friends to hang out and play something over getting rich at the Saucer.

[Darkplanet]

You’re forgetting that this game was programmed into ff14 purely in 1 or 2 developers spare time pretty much for fun. They did it off their work hours and was never really planned to be put in ff14. But over a long period of time they created a working mahjong game in the engine and the team was just like well ok why not put it in the game?

Basically you can complain about it all you want, but it doesn’t change anything else about the development of other “normal” gold saucer mini games, they are still coming and being developed, and mahjong 100% did not obstruct other development decisions related to gold saucer mini games, it is 100% EXTRA mini game given to the gold saucer. So it’s just kinda silly to complain about it you know? Like I tend to avoid the “just don’t play it” argument but really... just don’t play it, you’re still gonna get all that easy going fun shooting mini games you want.

[Vaer]

tbh, anything not a GATE usually dies anyway within months. It's just there for people who like it. I believe they wanted to add poker, but they wanted to get around gambling regulations or something.

I think adding things with depth is what they have always done. They like to reinvent the wheel a lot anyway when it's not required, must be a design philosophy.

[Steady]

Pretty sure they tied a song to it, so we're all stuck playing it if we want the song.

[LeoLupinos]

Mahjong was added as a bonus mini-game because they had the code for it.
Just because YOU don't like it does not mean that the mini-game will die.

"The game is too complex and No tutorial."
And I highly doubt that you even tried to play to barely see that it does have a complete tutorial and additionally has a suggestion to the next step, for every step. I literally won a game vs other players just following the hints, and doing some decisions based on how they teach me to think how to play.

"Innate unfairness"
There's literally a rank system and a difficulty level vs NPC for you to choose. What does you need more?

"Time"
Mahjong is about fun and chill, there's no rewards other than achievements. If it's not your cup or tea move along.

"Bad automated suggestions"
You can disable it if you think it's bad. I think that the suggestions are amazing for me to learn. You can either blindly follow them and learn nothing and post a new thread about Mahjong on the forum, or you can play and try to think a barely minimum to see what's the meaning of the suggestion and start to move the pieces by yourself.

"convoluted rules and Why can't we just have a minigame that anyone can pick up in seconds"
For every mini-game there's a COMPLETE progression system. You can either stay forever at the beginner level and STILL be rewarded just fine, or you can start to try to understand how it works if you like it and reach high levels.

At the end of your thread I can't think of anything else than that you just want to get things handed to you with minimum mental effort, because these mini-game are not THAT hard to get the basics and get rewarded just fine. You don't need to be the best one, if you have fun, then it's all that matters. If you're not having fun, and other are, move along.

And @Reynhart, you can enter Gold Saucer with the free trial account to play ANY mini-game. It's literally a completely free content. There's nothing anyone should or can complain about it. Just don't play if you don't like, Play if you like.

[Divinemights]

First of all, Mahjong is a time-sink game to begin with at first place.
Second of all, it is not a mini game, it is a complicate strategy game developed by Chinese then populated to Korean and Japan just like Gon. It is never mean to be a faster game.
Third, Mahjong may seems to heavily rely on RNG, but it is actually skill based. A real Mahjong master will screw you all over if want to.
Lastly, who said mini game must be attend to western audience? There are a lot of mini games in golden saucer I dont even give a damn for. Did you ever see Asian players complaining about these mini games are not for them? This is clearly targeting Asian audience. I am pretty sure this is a feature welcome by Korean Japan and China FF14

[SturmChurro]

I want mahjong solitaire!

[Akor]

1. its not complext. It has more complexity than your tipical card game, but this game is far from hard to learn, its more about lucks, ofc. if your facing veteran players its hard but thats it.
2. yeah writen text isnt enough. But SE isnt teaching anything in this game so *shrugs*
3. Welcome to ranked games. OwO
4. Its not that long though. lol
5. Thats why you learn the game so u dont need to depended on the helping system, but this only problem on higher tier.

Will it die in 2weeks? Maybe. So far ppl enjoying it, atleast all my friends who are nubs and never played the game is enjoying it. So yeah.

[Divinemights]

Will it die in 2weeks? Maybe. So far ppl enjoying it, atleast all my friends who are nubs and never played the game is enjoying it. So yeah.

1. It is complex, but this is not a game just about your "hand" This is also about how to anticipate what piece your opponent need and which hand they are after.
2. There was never a real tutorial for Mahjong, every players learned the basic rules and hands then just on their own from there. If Asian players can do the same, why cant you?
3. That is the truth right? The vanity in play.
4. If it is against NPC, probalby not, try it again with all verterns
5. It is not a mini game, it is a strategy game.

Doomsayer? It may dies on NA, but it will not dies on other region.
The truth is, everything dies on NA server once players obtained all the rewards, takes Rival Wing for example.
Rival Wing is still very active on JP server