Thread: Artoirel is... (4.5 spoilers)

The aevises were probably eradicated, assuming they've no cognitive ability left, since Ishgard would likely have the manpower to spare with such an operation due to the conclusion of the Dragonsong War. Or we can go with the very simple explanation that Francel arrives with an escort that isn't rendered for what is, for all purposes, a one-off event that triggers on approach.

Maybe the Aevis can sense the immense sadness in Francel as he approaches and they can relate, due to sadness being a driving force for Nidhogg's rage and then because they're no longer under his thrall they don't have that rage overshadowing all other emotion and so don't feel as though they should be aggressive towards him.

Meanwhile, they'll attack the WoL because the last moments of Nidhogg's life would have been pure malice directed towards them which might still linger.

#headcannon

Originally Posted by Kalise

Maybe the Aevis can sense the immense sadness in Francel as he approaches and they can relate, due to sadness being a driving force for Nidhogg's rage and then because they're no longer under his thrall they don't have that rage overshadowing all other emotion and so don't feel as though they should be aggressive towards him.

Meanwhile, they'll attack the WoL because the last moments of Nidhogg's life would have been pure malice directed towards them which might still linger.

#headcannon

They don't attack us any more though - by the time we've reached Heavensward, let alone finished it, we're high-leveled enough that they ignore us.

Aggressive enemies don't attack you if you're more than ten levels above them. Thus my earlier suggestion that Francel is likewise high-leveled enough in some kind of skill to walk straight past them!


Also, pedantic spelling, but "canon" (the established version of events) is spelt differently to "cannon" (a large mounted gun). A "head cannon" is probably not a good idea. :P

Originally Posted by Iscah

Also, pedantic spelling, but "canon" (the established version of events) is spelt differently to "cannon" (a large mounted gun). A "head cannon" is probably not a good idea. :P

#WordsAreHard

Also, a Head Cannon is a great idea. I'll get my best gobbies on the design right away ;D

I love how SE throws in hidden dialogue like this. I replay to try and find some. Thanks for the info, next time I'm at the quest I'll check Ishgard!

Aha, found the "deleted scene" I mentioned earlier.

The last section of the script for the quest Heavensward doesn't seem to be in the game - I'd gone through it shortly before finding this the first time, and again just the other day with my second alt, and didn't find it either time. So it's either removed or bizarrely hard to find, because I do try to talk to everyone important before moving onto the next quest objective.

Edmont mentions "the ceremony" which would have been Ishgard's induction into the Alliance during the first part of the credits. So I assume it was supposed to be a post-credits scene, probably at the manor, similar to your return to the Waking Sands after ARR's credits.

I think you do still end up there afterwards, but only Alphinaud and Tataru are there. I hope they didn't just forget to put the other characters in there after writing the script for them!

EDMONT
During the ceremony, I felt Haurchefant's presence. He was watching us from on high, with pride in his eyes and that customary smile on his lips...

AYMERIC
Allow me to thank you─not as the lord commander of the Temple Knights, but as a humble citizen of Ishgard.
Though you came to us an outsider, you risked all to bring us this chance for change. And we will not squander it, I swear to you. We will rise above the ashes of our dark past and rebuild our nation upon a foundation of truth and equality.

LUCIA
You are a true hero, my friend. The minstrels shall sing of your deeds for generations to come.

HILDA
Seein' you flyin' in on dragonback helped put things in perspective. If man and dragon can be friends, how hard can it be for us to get along with each other?
To be sure, it'll take time and effort to bridge the gulf between highborn and lowborn, but I'm confident it'll all work out in the end.

EMMANELLAIN
You are the talk of the Holy See, my friend! And by association, I like to think that I am too!

ARTOIREL
Though Haurchefant is gone, his spirit lives on within us all.
For my part, I shall strive to be a knight worthy of the name. Pray watch over me, brother!

Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin

I do remember that dialogue, actually...and I don't make a habit of reading Garland Tools so I likely found it in game.

Interesting. It's possibly only available if you speak to them inbetween completing the Heavensward quest and picking up the first 3.1 quest immediately after?

Although it seems odd for a few other reasons - particularly that there doesn't seem to be a location listed for Edmont or Aymeric (under 'Involved NPCs' in the Stats tab) for that quest, and also that it's generally unusual for Edmont to be standing around in town. His NPC data only shows locations at the manor or in Aymeric's office, and none of them seem to be either linked to the quest or saying those lines.

I did have a feeling I'd seen Lucia and Hilda's lines elsewhere, and looking through the rest of the script, they do have those same lines earlier - along with what I do remember Artoirel and Emmanellain (and Honoroit) saying.

That's another odd thing there - no alternate line for Honoroit, and his earlier one was in direct response to Emmanellain's.


If they are there but just easily missable, it's a pity. Edmont and Artoirel's lines are particularly important, I think, in the progression of their stories and the grief we see them going through earlier. And Aymeric's thankyou is a nice character moment as well.


Will have to make a mental note to search extra-hard at whatever future point I take my last alt through the story.... which will not be for quite some time. Replaying it once was good, but a second time so soon feels like a bit much.

Overall I think the simple answer to why Artoirel is at Ghimlyt is that it would be strange if he hadn't gone.


But an idle thought, for an alternate "specific reason" for him to be there that doesn't involve potential tragedy... well, seeing as this is a rather large-scale military operation, the Lominsans would be likely calling on the pirate crews for support, right? In which case Artoirel just might be in the right place to spot an unexpected familiar face...

(Sure, Carvallain's still in Limsa as usual for the moment, but he has sidequests to participate in.)

Probably won't happen, but now I want to see it.