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    Divinemights's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    Running with the same people (who are almost certainly in voice chat) gives them a huge advantage over the unorganized randos they're facing. Unfortunately the only real solution I can see to this issue would be to make Frontline Freelancer permanently on for all players, and I'm not sure if that's really worth it.
    No, there are ways to win against premade unless it is Seal Rock just because Frontline is 3 ways.
    There is always a way to get even with premade head on if you prepared a count down macro and designated which target to focus on.
    Forget about the myth of kill healer first, all you need to do is make sure your team focus on one target and one target only.
    Healers of FF14 is balanced around 4v4 Feast, their healing ability only strong enough to sustain damage from 3 DPS.
    If you cant kill anything during a team encounter, it is really just because your team is not focus fire and your tank is not doing the job properly.
    No healer can keep up a target focused by 6 dps on the Frontline.
    It is rather amuse that a lot of these players who believed their team is bade never gives out command or use countdown macro to guide the team.
    All they do is complain and blame everything on a team that consists of random players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    No
    Yes. lol

    You're right that you can fight against premades (and win sometimes) and people should try to work together far more often than they do now, but wrong in saying "no" that running a premade ready to win battles is not significantly more advantage than a bunch of randos + bots.

    Which is why I said yes, as Beckett merely said that premade has advantage over randoms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    . . .gives them a huge advantage over the unorganized randos they're facing.

    Besides the communication boost that a premade has there is also the mindset and hierarchy, as well as likely a general strategy planned out. There are of course bad premades but a good premade has advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Yes. lol

    You're right that you can fight against premades (and win sometimes) and people should try to work together far more often than they do now, but wrong in saying "no" that running a premade ready to win battles is not significantly more advantage than a bunch of randos + bots.
    The fact is most of people that is complain literally did "nothing"
    All you heard is whining and cursing on his own team.
    It is either that or this person thinks all his team are garbage s+ bots.
    It is not progressive and pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    No, there are ways to win against premade unless it is Seal Rock just because Frontline is 3 ways.
    Of course you can win against a pre-made, they're not infallible. But a full group of 24 people communicating in voice chat are always going to have an advantage over strangers communicating through text.

    I've occasionally been in pugs communicating through text that have managed to outplay the pre-made alliance, but it's a rare thing. The pre-made alliances aren't necessarily winning because the random groups are bad, they're winning because the pre-made groups have a distinct and undeniable advantage.
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    Viglundur Krummason
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    Those guys really wanted the new emote, huh? lol
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