Revelations from Patch 4.5

**Cilia** · 01-09-2019 10:41 AM

MSQ

Well, this was a bit short, but not meaningless. They're still building up, unfortunately.

Totally shocking reveal Gaius survived! Somehow! (Rage is a hell of an anesthetic?) Seems the mystery voice isn't location locked.

The parley scenes were interesting. While the outcome was predictable, I wish the Eorzeans had pressed Varis for more information than just cutting him off, or argued against his position at greater length. The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend...

And now all of the major Scions are down for the count. With Zenos-Elidibus along with more troops on our doorstep and the real Zenos looming out there... somewhere... menacingly. Oh joy.

... I'll get to Ivalice and maybe Seiryu tomorrow. Jeanne makes fights in F/GO a lot easier, but also a lot longer, and I want to get caught up with the story...

**DarthSanguine** · 01-09-2019 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Oh and another thing time wise...

So was it just me, or did Hien say early on the bulk of Doma's forces had to arrive by sea? Yet somehow, us chatting with Varis for a half your or so bought time for them to arrive in Gyr Abania? I know the game doesn't pay much mind to logistics and travel time but this really stood out to me. My not just leave Hiel out of this part and have him show up in part 2 where some more time could have passed? The doman forces don't actually add anything plot wise other than having Hien and Yugiri in the dungeon.

Not quite.

Only their force capable of teleportation arrived in time for the battle. The others are still en route.

**Jonnycbad** · 01-09-2019 11:28 AM

Seiryu trial

what element does he represent? Genbu used water but Seiryu also commands water? Shouldn't he be like ice or wind or something?

**NoblePigeon** · 01-09-2019 01:57 PM

Regarding the Raid

So it may have gone way over my head, but the Lucavi are explicitly not Voidsent nor primals. Did they go over their origins at all throughout the raids? I'm almost certain they did, but I have mushy brain. I wasn't sure if they were the same as they were in FFT, i.e. their own class of "demons", or something else entirely.

**Zohar_Lahar** · 01-09-2019 02:16 PM

Return to Ivalice

I see where the Allagans might have gotten their idea for the Ultima Weapon. It's also alluded that Ultima was not merely a primal/eikon, but some kind of otherworldly being like Omega. This does bring at least three other questions:

1. What is the connection between the Heart of Sabik and Ultima, the High Seraph? Lahabrea used it to cast Ultima.

2. Did Ultima also provide her Auracite to the Thirteenth Shard as well?

3. Does this "High Seraph" have any connection to the Kuribu entity seen in Amdapor and the Shadowbringers trailer?

**MrThinker** · 01-09-2019 02:37 PM

MSQ

I was glad they used Matoya again, she was the first person I thought after Krile who might be able to help in some way, especially cause Y'shtola was also involved. The whole Maxima + Populares escaping the Empire felt like it happened too fast, but then I remember that we will always have that problem with the Time Bubble(TM). Nice to see that the Othardian Alliance is shaping up, with Nagxia and Dalmasca playing more into the Main Story.

Then we meet Gaius (and unconscious Alphy). I am glad they IMMEDIATELY let us know it is him, but I also kinda laughed at how he just 'climbed out of the rubble' of the Praetorium and that is how he survived. Yes, him choosing not to die and avenge his underlings that perished due to the Ascian's schemes is in line with what impressions i had of him, but I preferred the alternative of Nero saving him tbh. A bit miffed that Black Rose didn't really seem to go anywhere at first (and seemingly resolved offscreen), but then its just that they delayed it's usage rather than destroying the data about its components. The whole 'Solus clone' project is a bit out of left field as well, but at least explains how he gets real bodies so quickly.
Also still find it hard to believe that the world is getting an excess of Light because of us doing what we do. On the other hand, Gaius seems to be actually pretty well-informed about the whole Light vs Dark thing, granted he might have taken this information from the Ascians he has killed (still unexplained).
I was surprised about Emet-Selch being an Overlord of the Source, but then again we were never told that Lahabrea and Elidibus were the ONLY ones to exist here right? I immediately attatched Solus to being Emmet-Selch, but that is not necessarily true.

Then comes the scene in the same factory Gaius just told us about (I think) with Varis and Solus. Solus really loves pulling Varis' strings here, but I was surprised when the line from the trailer stinger was used here instead instead of say, pt 2. Solus also seems to be very interested with Black Rose and how it might interact with the current conditions of the world, also curious how he says 'You and I may not meet again in this lifetime', is he gonna do his own thing then?

The parley meeting between the Alliance leaders and the Emperor was good imo. I think the Emperor made good points against both Merlwyb's and Aymeric's arguments, though at the same time find it a bit frustrating that Kann-E-Senna didnt respond to the whole 'summoning the Twelve and almost dooming creation' thing. I'm somewhat glad that we could be (not certain what the other responses might have evoked) the ones to point their questions in the right directions, though Varis' end goal seems somewhat... flawed. 5 more calamities (remember there are only 5 shards intact, the 13th is the void now) to rejoin the entire world, so that man can return to being a single race, and then using that 'unity' to overthrow the Ascians. Even if we disregard the mass casualties on both sides not to mention the destruction of entire worlds ... did he forget entirely about Zodiark? (Forgetting about theories that he needs only 1 more rejoining to break free and return from wherever he is) he'd DEFINITELY be out if all the remaining shards were destroyed. And his information about the '1 world 1 race' thing comes from the Ascians themselves AFAIK, so it isn't entirely trustworthy in the first place. I'm glad the Alliance (and Nanamo in particular) completely rejected his ideals (Yes he's probably extremely frustrated that his entire life has been somewhat of a lie, but genocide is still a big NO).

In regards to Ghimlyt; I loved the dungeon, for me it definitely gave off the war atmosphere that Ala Mhigo only glanced upon, and the way that the alliance npcs fought alongside us was a nice touch (Where the heck was Merlwyb tho?). I had a hunch the guard twins would indeed be the final boss, since they had an intro cutscene in the patch trailer, but i was expecting a solo trial against 'Zenos' immediately after.
And then of course we lose Alisaie, cause flags, and we need to be completely and utterly alone for Shadowbringers. Patch ends on a somewhat flat note with Elidenos arriving at the battlefield.

Return to Ivalice

I am glad we got to see the map of southern Othard, and Fran as well. I'm curious to see how a super-long-lived Viera ups and decides to be an adventurer, but I guess that is for the role-players to decide. The Dramaturge also gives us our 2 Viera races (that I cant recall the names of at this time). OG Ramza being a Warrior of Light was kinda unexpected, but also welcome. Did anyone else have somewhat mixed emotions about OG Alma having Orran's kid? Yeah sure, she probably is older than she looks, but still. Orbonne was a nice place, but the Thunder God was really kind of annoying to explain the mechanics to the alliance. I felt a wave of emotion I can't describe with both the final battle and that final scene, so I'll just say it tickled my fancy. The stinger of the 4th legion finding the clockwork machina of Goug HAS to lead into the Main Story right? The Ivalice series is over after all. Also there is Fran promising to meet again, as well as the 'princess' (Ashe somehow surviving?) that leads the resistance cell she is apart of. (Unless they decide to make a sequel 24-man raid series for 5.0, unlikely I know)

The Four Lords

A nice conclusion overall. Seiryu seemed like the misguided rival type from what i heard from his voice, and was glad he met expectations. However Soroban becoming the new Genbu means we wont get to hear is calm and relaxing voice in the MSQ anymore. I was slightly disappointed that we didnt even have a solo duty against Koryu. And with Tenzen, we now have 2 stories in which past Warriors of Light have come to our aid. I'm also glad (and surprised) we got paid like we were meant to, but Tataru already mentions my sentiments.

What is Left

So, from the trailer; we need to hear that comment about Hien and Lyse leading reinforcements into battle; we need to see Elezenos fight in Ghimlyt and meet with Elidenos (the elezen body is on the floor when Hien gets bodied); we need to see Hien, Yugiri and Lyse lose against 'Zenos' (does Zenos take his body back? does Elidbus prove to be the stronger threat?); then we have our final battle against him (it's probably a solo duty due to Yojimbo, but I hope it is a story trial); we need to stand on that 'gate' structure in the aetherial sea, hear the comment "We will throw wide the gates", as well as see Hydaelyn alongside our transition to Warrior of Darkness.

**Naria** · 01-09-2019 02:37 PM

Ugh I'm too tired to post about any of the major story-lines right now but:

A Tonne of Salt *snicker*

Am I reading this wrong or is that Ala Mhigan NPC going to introduce a worker's union into the East Aldenard Trading Company? Please tell me this isn't the last we are going to hear about this! I still want to punch Lolorito every time I see him, but this would be so much better.

**Theodric** · 01-09-2019 02:58 PM

The Four Lords:

I was a little worried that, somehow, the sealed entity would break free and take over Seiryu. Tenzen's spirit showing up to help seal away the threat was a nice touch. I do find myself wondering if we'll be forced to deal with the sealed threat sooner than expected. If not, I hope to at least have a reason to check in with Byakko and the others at a later date.

The Ghimlyt Dark:

I was left feeling rather underwhelmed. It didn't feel like a high stakes battle. The Burn had a lot more bite to it - everything in Ghimlyt seemed to melt pretty quickly to the point where I was awaiting a phase transition for the final duo only for the victory screen to pop up instead. The music was nice, though once again 'war' in this game simply consists of hundreds of Garleans being cut down. The entire battlefield was strewn with broken magitek, so Garlemald simply does not come across as imposing anymore.

Varis:

I'll be bitterly disappointed if it turns out that Regula died for naught. His final words implied that Varis would have need of the Warrior of the Light, so I'm hoping that Varis' speech was simply a cunning plan to reveal Solus' and Elidibus' schemes to those present whilst making it seem like he was fully on board with the Ascians. I suspect as much simply due to the odd habit of the camera lingering on the moths fluttering about near the light as well as the somewhat oppressive guards that are seemingly not far behind him. Could one, or both, of those elements be keeping Varis in check on behalf of the Ascians? His hands were quite clearly tied and he's repeatedly shown contempt for the Ascians and their schemes so it seems strange for him to do a complete shift in his behaviour - yet it'd make perfect sense if he was doing it out of necessity. Perhaps he knows that if he doesn't play ball, he'll be killed and replaced with someone who'll bring Garlemald and his people to ruin.

That aside, seeing him call out Merlwyb for her hypocrisy was enjoyable. Amusingly, three different people poked me on Discord and joked about Varis sounding like he was quoting some of my posts outright at times...especially when it came to describing his people's history.

Still, I hope he isn't just suddenly being pushed down a path to conveniently have him show up as a raid boss later down the line. WoW went down that route and it ticked a lot of people off, myself included.

The Two Bodyguards:

I can't help but feel that, due to their red and blue colouring and the fact that they're siblings, they'll be given the same fate as Zorn and Thorn from FFIX. It's a pretty strong hunch.

Return to Ivalice:

The raid itself was very atmospheric. I enjoyed every battle. Seeing a couple of enemies specifically taken from Vagrant Story pleased me greatly. I do have a couple of concerns, though. Ramza's abrupt change of heart was a real shame - the likes of Alisae and Y'shtola have been shown to look down on other races and their customs, yet seemed to get far less criticism than Ramza received for doing the exact same thing. I have a hunch as to why that is, though. At any rate, Gabranth showing up at the end pretty much confirms that the story is not actually over. It was also nice to see that one of the performers decided to approach him - that was a nice bit of realism and a refreshing change of pace.

Ultima being the equivalent of an alien is very intriguing and has interesting implications for other beings that refer to themselves as 'Mother', 'Father' and 'Divine'.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we explore more of Dalmasca in 5.0. I'd love to go to to Léa Monde in particular. The more I think on it, the more I convince myself that we're not actually going to push far into Ilsabard until 6.0. Fran wasn't really the same without Balthier at her side. Viera, in general rub me the wrong way because they're a pretty blatant fan service race designed specifically for the sex appeal. By the sounds of it, we're highly unlikely to meet many - if any - male Viera. Which doesn't bold well for my concerns that the race might be gender locked.

**Jonnycbad** · 01-09-2019 03:37 PM

Possible future Ultimate raid

You are asked to visit Koroban often and a few Lords mention it won't be the last time you guys meet. To me this reeks of some Ultimate raid maybe in 5.0 (hopefully after a Thordan Ultimate) where we fight Koryu and he will use all 4 lords as pawns like Ultima does with primals?

@Theodric re: Bodyguards

have you ever played FFXI during the WotG era? I'm getting huge Spite Warden vibes from them. Sort of comic relief/team rocket-esque henchmen. I somehow doubt there's only 2 of them. Could be more of other colors and could be some elite team. Their antics were amusing and fit the trope of sentai-esque characters in a JRPG (Axem Rangers!)

**Theodric** · 01-09-2019 03:59 PM

@Jonnycbad:

Sadly, I never got around to trying and playing FFXI. It's one of my biggest gaming regrets! I'll have to make a note to at least try it next time I find myself with some free time and it isn't close to a major FFXIV patch.

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