Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.5

Ivalice Raid

Mainly on Ultima, her design and the fact that she's an alien. On a youtube video, I commented on how similar Ultima was to Jenova, but then someone responded to me by saying she's more similar to The Creator from FFIV, The After Years (both of them also create crystals). After looking at his design... is it possible they're of the same alien race? or just a big coincidence?

Originally Posted by Nestama

Ivalice Raid

Mainly on Ultima, her design and the fact that she's an alien. On a youtube video, I commented on how similar Ultima was to Jenova, but then someone responded to me by saying she's more similar to The Creator from FFIV, The After Years (both of them also create crystals). After looking at his design... is it possible they're of the same alien race? or just a big coincidence?

Not being directly familiar with many of the past FF games....

I associate Ultima's design with the final boss of the first Kingdom Hearts game, where the human villain melded with a similar multi-faced monster thing. Drawing on all the same "FF game reference" sources, I suppose...

About Ultima's design as a whole, visual and encounter:

What an amazing fight, visually it represents Ultima from every Ivalice incarnation by borrowing its visual from XII and FFTA series while having one of their mechanics to borrow her visual from FFT itself. A feast for the eyes as mechanics and enviorment form a full cinematic for players without breaking the gameplay like many bosses do.

A throwback to the mechanic introduced into Dun Scaith, having the lass boss a 2-part with checkpoint, that came full force during the whole expansion as a constant on final Savage bosses while keeping the transition engaging rather than purely cinematic.

The cherry on top were the "trios". During Stormblood the game brought its new difficulty the Ultimate raids, UCOB set the bar by having the bosses of the gauntlet to combine their abilities together to punish players during intermissions. UWU brought that back in its own way and the Devs did the same for Ultima in Orbonne. Seeing my friends excited for being able to experience trio-like mechanics, while the difficulty is nowhere near Ultimate raids, was a great moment to me. It is good to see Devs introducing this in the Alliance raid, giving players who went throught this story a sense of progression and fulfillment. My only issue is, coming later expansions if they ever pick any of these fights to do an Ultimate they'll have to break the "trio" formula they've set for them so far. Which is a good thing but makes me wonder if they'll actually do it welll.

Originally Posted by Nestama

Ivalice Raid

Mainly on Ultima, her design and the fact that she's an alien. On a youtube video, I commented on how similar Ultima was to Jenova, but then someone responded to me by saying she's more similar to The Creator from FFIV, The After Years (both of them also create crystals). After looking at his design... is it possible they're of the same alien race? or just a big coincidence?

Regarding origins,

Jenomis and the triple triad card posit that Ultima is a primal that was summoned by Ajora to assault Mullonde back in the days of something known as the Ydoran Empire.
I think maybe they should have thrown out one or two more theories because the impression I'm getting out of it is "don't worry about it" since Matsuno isn't the type of writer who cares to have established concrete historic details and prefers what works for making the best scene in the moment.

Originally Posted by Cybylt

Regarding origins,

Jenomis and the triple triad card posit that Ultima is a primal that was summoned by Ajora to assault Mullonde back in the days of something known as the Ydoran Empire.
I think maybe they should have thrown out one or two more theories because the impression I'm getting out of it is "don't worry about it" since Matsuno isn't the type of writer who cares to have established concrete historic details and prefers what works for making the best scene in the moment.

On Ultima:

There's always the possibility Ultima makes a comeback, like Diablos. She's connected to the Allagans, which is connection enough, especially with van Gabranth continuing the Ivalice plot thread into the future. At the very least we might get a glimpse of what the Allagans exchanged and learned from her, and learn more about her nature then.

Well keep in mind half the stuff we see in 4.5 Trailer involving the Main Scenario has not been released yet.

We still yet to see that part where the real Zeno swoops in to fight fake Zeno and the part where WoL starts getting the headache to be taken while seeing Hien on his knees.

Originally Posted by KageTokage

My thoughts on the voice:

It's been noted that some of what the voice has been saying is unusually similar to the Warp incantation used in FFT to send Ramza to the Necrohol of Mullonde (Against his will to boot)

I believe "Let expanse contract, eon become instant" and their other cryptic words that are hard to interpret may simply be part of some manner of incantation that's being used to temporarily connect its targets to another reality (Hence Alisaie noting that she felt like she was "somewhere else" whenever the voice was speaking) so that their minds can be pulled away (They naturally couldn't bring their whole being since we already know that you can't cross between the shards without relinquishing a physical form).

I'm thinking the only reason we haven't been pulled away yet is because we're still needed to keep things from going awry at the Source and that as soon our little Garlean problem gets sorted out we're going to get yoinked into another reality like everyone else so we can finally get a proper explanation as to what the heck is going on.

As for why they haven't been more clear about what they're trying to tell us, I'd assume that cross-shard communication is just extremely difficult to maintain...which is also the reason why the Scions were spirited away because they're going to be helping to sort out an issue that's much too big to explain in the brief moments they were able to hear the voice.

Response of Ten Characters:

My assumption was that it's the Echo that's made us extremely resistant to the voice. Krile has also not been taken (yet). Although I get the impression each tug is stronger than the last.