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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    I'm surprised people still expect anything more than a pure healer out of SE.
    I don't expect it. But I do dare to hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    Anyways, I think this will give WHM a bit of extra DPS.
    It should help close the gap pretty decently. But unless my theorycrafting is off, it'll make WHM 'slightly less behind', not 'brings good DPS to make up for lack of utility' a la SAM, BLM, MNK.

    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    Next to that this just smells of "we need to rework the class, wait until 5.0"
    Yeah, everyone knows WHM needs a rework. But they could have cut some cast times and bumped up some potencies easily enough. Literally what happened to MNK and MCH just now, and AST in 4.3. It wouldn't fix lillies et al, but it'd give WHM a niche until 5.0

    But the bigger issue long term is this pure healer nonsense. If SE doubles down yet again... I predict we'll repeat Heavensward and Stormblood: At first WHM will be decent, but then some content that's hard to heal will come out. The other classes will ask for healing buffs to get on par with WHM. They'll get them. Then WHM... once more... is the red headed stepchild left in the cupboard under the stairs.

    The most ridiculous part is this is the only FF with the "pure healer" thing. All other FFs that had jobs or an approximation thereof - white mage brings the buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    But the bigger issue long term is this pure healer nonsense. If SE doubles down yet again... I predict we'll repeat Heavensward and Stormblood: At first WHM will be decent, but then some content that's hard to heal will come out. The other classes will ask for healing buffs to get on par with WHM. They'll get them. Then WHM... once more... is the red headed stepchild left in the cupboard under the stairs.
    If they introduce a new healer I would be surprised if they moved away from the pure healer niche. We can always keep our fingers crossed though.
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    As a WHM main since 2.0, I'd really like to see it have a place in this game again that makes people actually want it.

    It's not top heals, AST is.
    It's not top DPS, AST is, followed by SCH, with WHM in last place.
    It doesn't bring any actual utility while AST brings versatile utility and SCH brings stable utility.

    I don't know, I've never had a problem with MP management unless people are dying left and right due to their own stupidity, and good MP management is like the consolation prize you give to a three year old to pacify them when someone else wins. Between MP Song and Mana Shift, it counts for little.

    I'd like at least one of the following:
    1.) Potency buff for Stone/Aero
    2.) Presence of Mind's cool down being reduced.
    3.) AoE Presence of Mind.

    I am happy with the reduction in enmity... but like others have said, in exchange for Assize racking in more hate generation than it already was. And I'm extremely glad for Plenary, because it's one of those skills that you just popped because you needed extra heals, now it can be timed to use more efficiently, which hey, it's useful now... x.x; At nearly the end of Storm Blood... but it's useful now right?

    I'll take the changes, but it doesn't boost my confidence in what is in store for WHM in 5.0.
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    Whitemage is the king when it comes to "I have all the healy buttons".

    Which is super fun when it comes to the heaviest healing fights in the game but White Mage needs something more if its going to be appealing in the way Ast is apealing with its cards or the way Sch is appealing with its large array of tools & buttons to press along side the pet/multi DoT management.

    In ARR I loved Whitemage because it was White Mage. But in HW as I branched out to Ast and eventually Sch is just feels like Whitemage does not supply enough gameplay to compete with the other two healers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantasia View Post

    I'd like at least one of the following:
    1.) Potency buff for Stone/Aero
    2.) Presence of Mind's cool down being reduced.
    3.) AoE Presence of Mind.
    Or how about all three? PoM and Cleric Stance should have the same CD as they are often used together when they line up. PoM is basically Haste, and WHM having AoE haste has been requested for some time now. This still wouldn't bring them to par with SCH or AST, as AST and SCH can already AoE haste a raid, but at least it's something.

    I think the devs can still do a lot to improve WHM while still keeping it's non-gimmick identity intact. The AoE PoM could be tied to the lilies with the number of lilies simply increasing its range as just an example. I think everyone would love that, and it is such a simple concept the devs can add come 5.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Or how about all three? PoM and Cleric Stance should have the same CD as they are often used together when they line up. PoM is basically Haste, and WHM having AoE haste has been requested for some time now. This still wouldn't bring them to par with SCH or AST, as AST and SCH can already AoE haste a raid, but at least it's something.
    I mean, I'd love all three, but I don't dare to dream that we'd get that lucky. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantasia View Post
    I mean, I'd love all three, but I don't dare to dream that we'd get that lucky. xD
    Actually, all three requests are very reasonable and maintain SE's "pure healer" identity for WHM. If your expectations for WHM in 5.0 are around this level, I think you will be happy come next expansion. Everything except a lily-tied AoE PoM is entirely possible this expansion, and if they did so would add considerable DPS for WHM and also improve single target DPS. It's those that have high expectations for considerable raid utility that will be disappointed. It just isn't the direction the devs want to go with WHM at all, and while they have changed their minds in the past, I seriously doubt that's happening with WHM come 5.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Actually, all three requests are very reasonable and maintain SE's "pure healer" identity for WHM. If your expectations for WHM in 5.0 are around this level, I think you will be happy come next expansion. Everything except a lily-tied AoE PoM is entirely possible this expansion, and if they did so would add considerable DPS for WHM and also improve single target DPS. It's those that have high expectations for considerable raid utility that will be disappointed. It just isn't the direction the devs want to go with WHM at all, and while they have changed their minds in the past, I seriously doubt that's happening with WHM come 5.0.
    I had high hopes for 4.0, being a long time raider with WHM. I've adjusted my expectations to much lower and more achievable within the parameters they've set up for the class already this time around. If they surprise me, I will be jumping for joy. If they don't, well, at this point I've mellowed to meh. I want White Mage to be great again. I cosplayed it at Fanfest, I loudly cheered when someone asked about WHM on the Q&A, but I just don't even want to get my hopes up only for them to be dashed again. Hence low expectations and that glimmer of hope still hiding somewhere inside me that I can't squash.
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