Thread: 4.5 Patch notes are live

Originally Posted by TheHeavenAbyss

That's right, but iirc the items are drops from monsters anyway, so it's still all about beating enemies to collect skills, right?

Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.

Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

After everything, this feels like they're moving the goalposts.

Originally Posted by Valdegarde

Exactly, which is inconsistent with the justification behind their current restrictions. (that a real Blue Mage job HAS to be implemented with direct enemy observation in the overworld and thus cannot be balanced)

It really depends on how many spells you can learn that way. If it's one or two, that's a nice nod, and it doesn't really betray the justification. If you can learn a high number of skills with quests and items, it's a little more problematic. It still doesn't change the "choosing your spells issue for matchmaking", though.

On a sidenote, the balance issue is not tied with how BLU learns its spell, but the specific effect of some iconic ones. (Lvl 5 Death being the most famous example)

Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Anyone noticed that two quests are called Emissary of light and Will of the moon at the bottom?

Those aren’t new quests. Those are the two MSQ that you

Play as Alphinaud and Y’shtola in:
“Emissary of the Dawn” is the Patch 4.3 quest with Alphinaud, and
“Will of the Moon” is the patch 4.4 quest with Y’shtola.

There was an issue with the duty list displaying in Japanese while you’re in those quests’ respective instances.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.

Well yes, but whether BLU sees the skill or not is something that has varied a lot in FF (Quistis in VIII doesn't have to see the skill, neither Quina in IX or Kimahri in X). But they still have the element of "collecting skills by beating certain enemies". What I'm considering "true BLU" here and what the totem system likely goes against is the idea of collecting skills by going after enemy mobs and bosses (regardless of how the skill is collected when you face them).