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  1. 01-07-2019 08:49 PM #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by BubblyBoar View Post
    And now we have item turn-ins for learning skills too. So that's from mobs, quests, and items now. Quite the "real" BLU amiright?
    Quest is, AFAIK, completely new, but items...directly taken from FFVIII. So, yeah, quite the real BLUs. We still have the "kill a weakened enemy with a specific skill" or "draw the spell directly from the mob" types of learning to cover

    Eveything else...yeah, it's stupid to restrict BLU from doing the MSQ...no arguing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Quest is, AFAIK, completely new
    So why stop there? Why not build on that? They claim to be so strict with the "BLU experience" but are obviously straying from it when they feel like it, too.

    So, yeah, quite the real BLUs.
    After everything, this feels like they're moving the goalposts.

    We still have the "kill a weakened enemy with a specific skill" or "draw the spell directly from the mob" types of learning to cover
    I rather they invested in content not limited to the one LJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Quest is, AFAIK, completely new, but items...directly taken from FFVIII. So, yeah, quite the real BLUs. We still have the "kill a weakened enemy with a specific skill" or "draw the spell directly from the mob" types of learning to cover

    Eveything else...yeah, it's stupid to restrict BLU from doing the MSQ...no arguing there.
    That's right, but iirc the items are drops from monsters anyway, so it's still all about beating enemies to collect skills, right?
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  4. 01-07-2019 09:01 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeavenAbyss View Post
    That's right, but iirc the items are drops from monsters anyway, so it's still all about beating enemies to collect skills, right?
    Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.
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    After everything, this feels like they're moving the goalposts.
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    Exactly, which is inconsistent with the justification behind their current restrictions. (that a real Blue Mage job HAS to be implemented with direct enemy observation in the overworld and thus cannot be balanced)
    It really depends on how many spells you can learn that way. If it's one or two, that's a nice nod, and it doesn't really betray the justification. If you can learn a high number of skills with quests and items, it's a little more problematic. It still doesn't change the "choosing your spells issue for matchmaking", though.

    On a sidenote, the balance issue is not tied with how BLU learns its spell, but the specific effect of some iconic ones. (Lvl 5 Death being the most famous example)
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  5. 01-07-2019 09:08 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.
    Well yes, but whether BLU sees the skill or not is something that has varied a lot in FF (Quistis in VIII doesn't have to see the skill, neither Quina in IX or Kimahri in X). But they still have the element of "collecting skills by beating certain enemies". What I'm considering "true BLU" here and what the totem system likely goes against is the idea of collecting skills by going after enemy mobs and bosses (regardless of how the skill is collected when you face them).
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  6. 01-07-2019 09:00 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Quest is, AFAIK, completely new, but items...directly taken from FFVIII. So, yeah, quite the real BLUs.
    Exactly, which is inconsistent with the justification behind their current restrictions. (that a real Blue Mage job HAS to be implemented with direct enemy observation in the overworld and thus cannot be balanced)
    If a REAL Blue Mage has quite a bit of history and factors contributing to it and differing methods of implementation and balance, some of these overall restrictions and design decisions make less sense.
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