First Time Here

[linay]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Maybe they thought you were playing with someone else's character and thus were able to pass the duty complete check while still new to the duty itself.

[HyoMinPark]

I Understand you but there were no new players Just The thought of playing with one is starting to make a growing number of people mad is all I'm saying which is my point

You’re still failing to take note of context—people got snippy when you mentioned a new player in a party NOT meant for new players. This is not the same as them getting snippy about new people in general.

Your other situations don’t really prove your point either. People running ahead of a tank? Disrespectful, sure. But how does that apply to your premise of “people get mad about playing with new players”? Your comment about 24-mans is also strange: I’ve done the 24-mans at launch and people never say anything negative about new people because everyone is learning the content at this point.

[Syrus718]

There are always people that are not nice to new players, in every game, but these players are not that often to find here in this game as you might think. Most people are completly relaxed when it comes to new players as long as they don't sneak into ex or savage farm parties, because this are parties to farm and not help parties. I wouldn't be amused either if someone would sneak into a farm partie for a newer ex primal with mechanics that you can't skip that easy.

I Agree with you but as I stated I'm seeing the change and when did the community make this ok? If you take my Joke out of the thread no one is addressing The Community Changing... I wouldnt Be amused either by a trap Party but tried to make it so that it was understood that everyone had already cleared a number of times

[HyoMinPark]

I Agree with you but as I stated I'm seeing the change and when did the community make this ok? If you take my Joke out of the thread no one is addressing The Community Changing... I wouldnt Be amused either by a trap Party but tried to make it so that it was understood that everyone had already cleared a number of times

To address The Community Changing—this is not something I see. I rarely see snide comments to new players unless 1. They make one first, or 2. They’re trying to sneak by and hide the fact that they’re new and have no idea what they’re doing.

[Syrus718]

You’re still failing to take note of context—people got snippy when you mentioned a new player in a party NOT meant for new players. This is not the same as them getting snippy about new people in general.

Your other situations don’t really prove your point either. People running ahead of a tank? Disrespectful, sure. But how does that apply to your premise of “people get mad about playing with new players”? Your comment about 24-mans is also strange: I’ve done the 24-mans at launch and people never say anything negative about new people because everyone is learning the content at this point.

To answer your question its stigma that's tanks have to pull all mobs to the boss before they Get Aoe'd To death. The assumption was this person is new and wont do that. But i want to get out this dungeon fast so I'll tank as A dps. And your points makes mines its launch day why are you making a big deal about a person being new. You said you never saw it but I have which is why I asked when did this become a thing?

[Syrus718]

Maybe they thought you were playing with someone else's character and thus were able to pass the duty complete check while still new to the duty itself.

It was one person who felt a certain way not the party. The party was laughing and making their own jokes but you have a valid point

[Syrus718]

To address The Community Changing—this is not something I see. I rarely see snide comments to new players unless 1. They make one first, or 2. They’re trying to sneak by and hide the fact that they’re new and have no idea what they’re doing.

I Understand that alot of people may not be seeing this that why I'm bring it to attention. When you do see it ask if its right

[HyoMinPark]

To answer your question its stigma that's tanks have to pull all mobs to the boss before they Get Aoe'd To death. The assumption was this person is new and wont do that. But i want to get out this dungeon fast so I'll tank as A dps. And your points makes mines its launch day why are you making a big deal about a person being new. You said you never saw it but I have which is why I asked when did this become a thing?

You’re using the incorrect word by using “stigma”. I believe the word/phrasing you’re looking for is, “It’s the norm for tanks to pull everything to the boss”, which it is.

I’m not proving any of your points—I’m saying this is something that doesn’t happen hardly ever. I’ve never seen people get angry about people not knowing mechanics Day 1, and I’ve ran 24-mans on Day 1 for quite some time now. And they don’t get mad or make a big deal about it because people are learning. Your example of one person getting testy about a healer not DPSing on Day 1 does not make it the norm.

More often than not, people don’t say much in the chat. Even when people are messing up repeatedly.

[Ilan]

I Agree with you but as I stated I'm seeing the change and when did the community make this ok? If you take my Joke out of the thread no one is addressing The Community Changing... I wouldnt Be amused either by a trap Party but tried to make it so that it was understood that everyone had already cleared a number of times

I completly agree that its not ok to flame newbees as long as they don't sneak into actual farmparties that i mentioned before. Your joke is nothing that would shock me or make me angry, but i can understand if people react salty because they don't have the same kind of humor or if that happened to them before.

Overall the community here didn't really become worse, sure you have some jerks here too but they are a minority.

[Vidu]

I Understand you but there were no new players Just The thought of playing with one is starting to make a growing number of people mad is all I'm saying which is my point

You dont seem to understand why they get mad though.
Its most likely not the thought of new people in general, but about new people in a context where they dont belong - and a new person simply doesnt belong in a farm-party easy as that.

And I can think of several scenarios about new people sneaking into farm-parties - not queuing with "Duty Completed" checked in the end, the bonus-message being missed or something simple like you having cleared the content, but passing the controller to your younger brother who has never even played the game and tell him to just have some fun while you take a shower. Seen it happen. Not joking.

There is a time and a place for new people and not wanting them in your farm-party OR expecting them to listen to advice and giving their best doesnt equal hating or abusing them.
There also is a time and a place for jokes - for me personally that would mainly be amongst friends to avoid as much missunderstandings as possible.