First Time Here

[Syrus718]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

[Vidu]

As I stated usually the response is Same Here Followed By Laughter... "Its Been My First Time For The Past 84 Runs" someone makes a Mistake on a mechanic the first time here jokes start. Especially when youv'e been in said farm party for over 20 runs already as I said No one Cares About 1st timers in all of these situations except that one person who decides to go out their way to make a first timer feel bad for being new

I dont quite understand what you're saying here?

You seem to either defend a joke that seems rather questionable to me - some might have found it funny, some obviously did not (and why do you need to break the ice after 20 runs?) - or are trying to defend first timers sneaking into farm-parties.
I get that you were saying that as a joke, but it actually does happen and yes, in those case the first timer should be called out and "made feel bad" because they joined a party they dont belong in.
A first timer sneakly joinig a farm-party is a damn annoying thing and in very, very bad taste and shows the lack of respect I was talking about earlier.
Thats why your joke about it might be received rather poorly by some people and I dont understand why you're so adamant about defending both your joke and new people who dont show consideration for their teammates.

Your Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complet party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The People who didnt Understand the joke want to hear it Because he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

"First time" is a red flag in a farming party, why dont you get that? If you say that and dont get that its a joke - maybe because english isnt your first language, maybe because of tunnel-vision and focussing on the fight instead of the messages etc. - then it will obviously upset someone who expects a smooth farm-party. So of course they care about reading "I'm new" and mind that in a farm-party - not because they hate new people, but because they rightfully believe that new people dont belong in farm-parties.
And as I said: The party leader actually has to check the "Duty Complete"-thing. Its easy enough for him to turn it off and that way smuggle a first timer in.

In general its best to keep jokes amongst friends and people you know and who know you. Missconceptions and missunderstandings happen amongst strangers way to easly.

[KaivaC]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

It was still a terrible joke, and the fact that you are still trying to defend it as if you are somehow in the right is laughable. The point is that you made a terrible joke. There's not point in you defending it - it was a bad joke and people reacted based on the fact that you said first timer in a farm party. Doesn't matter that no new message showed up, doesn't matter about the PF check - the crux of the issue right now is that you said it and somehow doesn't see it as wrong.

[HyoMinPark]

Your Although they may be sound are invalid

I beg your pardon?

because I stated it was a duty complet party meaning it was check.

Okay.

The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box.

Yes, and it can be fairly easy to miss.

And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The People who didnt Understand the joke want to hear it Because he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Probably because he’s been in parties in the past where first timers have snuck into a farm group claiming they’ve “seen enrage” or “know all the mechanics”, and then proceed to be hardcore carried by the group (or consistently wipe the group if they are an important party member like a tank or a healer)? I can certainly sympathize with that, as it has happened to me several times before.

Regardless, my point isn’t with regards to your poor choices in humor. It’s in regards to your apparent assumption that it’s okay for first timers to sneak into farm parties or weekly 2-chest parties.

[Ilan]

I thought this might be better Suited For the Tales From The Duty Finder Thread At First, But now as I watch this specific Ah... (Idiotic?) Behavior grow I started to wonder/ask when did the community make this ok?
With roughly every new patch Comes New Content, challenges, and players. I of course Understand this, but it seems like it's becoming a growing issue when someone announces it's their First Time Doing Content.
Examples I have watched a dps and healer run past the tank pulling every mob that they can along the way, Die and then blame the New Tank for the wipe. I've seen players gang up on a sprout in a mentor roulette for not watching a video before their first run. The fake Elitists shift Blame to the first timer even tho they missed their own mechanic causing the wipe. (Not knowing that when you play on console everything is automatically recorded and all you have to do is hit save) On Patch day in A 24 man raid secretly try to vote kick a healer who didnt want to dps because the did know the mechanics yet.
To me it has gotten so bad that If Your On The Aether Datacenter You Probably Play alongside Me and witnessed Me do it for Laughs, To Break The Ice or To See if Theres an A**hole in the group. My Last Straw is when I entered a [Loot] [Duty Complete] Suzaku Farm party finder and we Q'd inside the trial, I wrote first time here. immediately others found it funny and some even wrote Same But one person this one person in all caps went on to rant about how we dont belong in the farm party. This Could Have Been True except 2 people were equipped with Suzaku weapons and I Linked My Totem and all Suzaku weapons I had. On the top of the fact that No message appeared when we entered saying someone hadn't cleared.
After his threat of kick us or he'll leave I said this is getting out of hand. It's Not a Crime for someone to be a first timer to a duty or instance. Where is the By law or commandment for this? It Needs to Stop. I know sarcasm doesnt translate well in text But a player Said I'm out and left after I wrote "First Time Here, I'm On Ps3 And having Seen A Video" during a Tsukuyomi Farm (Face Palm)

P.s On Another Note I Understand Watching a video helps before doing new content but its should never be a requirement. Some Learn that way others learn through trial and error which is going to happen either way. At one point everyone was new to FFXIV

1) Dps and healers that run, pull and blame the tank if they die? Nothing new, has been there at least since i've started to play, welcome to the DF.

2) People who mess up stuff and blame the new one? Nothing new, has always been there, welcome to the DF.

3) Healer gets kicked on patchday for not dpsing? Doubtfull, but possible yet still a very rare moment because people are mostly completly relaxed when it comes to stuff like that on a patchday.

4) What can i say? This player obviously doesn't know which party he/she joins or opens, but i think the "first time here" or "high i'm new" only really works if someone is really new in there.

[SturmChurro]

Perhaps you need to not try "breaking the ice" by making pretend announcements that it's your first time, and then having to hold up the party to prove that you really aren't? (Which may or may not come off as an obnoxious "setup for a chance to show off all these Suzaku weapons I got already"...)

Clearly your sense of humour isn't going over very well with your party members.

If you'd just said hello, the whole thing might have gone smoothly and nobody would have had any issues with you at all. Instead the group got bogged down in an unnecessary discussion that left people with a negative opinion of you. Is that really "breaking the ice" and making the group more comfortable and friendly with each other? I think it's achieving the exact opposite, and making you -rightly or wrongly - perceived as the troublemaker at the source of it.

He's humble bragging, and trolling. lol.

[HyoMinPark]

He's humble bragging, and trolling. lol.

The funny thing is, if this is the case, EX weapons don’t hold much in terms of “bragging rights” nowadays.
At least, not in my opinion.

[Miste]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Some people are oblivious to these things about DF Duty Complete checking entry and also even the new timer message. You have to understand not everyone knows what you are saying is a joke.

So yeah that person was totally oblivious that it was a joke, but you have to know sometimes you'll get oblivious people like this that won't understand your joke. It is sad some people just don't pay attention to how the game works but....yeah those people exist.

You kinda have to just accept the responses you get to jokes sometimes cause sometimes you will find people who don't understand them or take them the wrong way. /shrug

Also when it comes to a FARM party for EX/Savage fights, people have the right to be upset if someone actually new to the fight joins. A farm party is not the place for a first timer. Nothing is wrong with being a first timer, but you cannot join farms and expect them to take time out of their life to carry a new person through the fight. It wasn't what they made the party for.

[SturmChurro]

The funny thing is, if this is the case, EX weapons don’t hold much in terms of “bragging rights” nowadays.
At least, not in my opinion.

Oh, I was agreeing with who I quoted. He was definitely humble bragging though, if he felt the need to link ALL of his weapons and totems. What you say makes it all the more funny.

[Syrus718]

So which was it? You made a joke as you queued in? Or you made a joke as soon as someone fudged up a mechanic and caused a wipe? Or you made a joke about being new to a farm group after doing ~20 runs with them?



People generally don’t like first timers sneaking into farm groups for Extremes or weekly clear groups for Savage. More often than not, they go out of their way to hope people don’t notice they’re new, and they typically don’t have the experience they claim they’ve had (e.g., “I’ve been to Enrage” but hasn’t actually been there). People are looking for efficient clears, not to help someone clear. That’s what clear parties are for.

First timers shouldn’t feel bad for being new. But they should feel bad for sneaking into FARM groups and expecting the group to just smile and take them with no questions asked, or sneaking into a party for something that they have absolutely no business being in (like inexperienced players sneaking into Savage parties because they “done normal mode and Savage probably isn’t much different”—yes, I did have someone say this to me once).

I give new players 3 pulls before I leave, and really, that goes for farm groups in general. If it takes more than 3 pulls to clear, that’s not a farm.

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this