First Time Here

[HyoMinPark]

As I stated usually the response is Same Here Followed By Laughter... "Its Been My First Time For The Past 84 Runs" someone makes a Mistake on a mechanic the first time here jokes start. Especially when youv'e been in said farm party for over 20 runs already

So which was it? You made a joke as you queued in? Or you made a joke as soon as someone fudged up a mechanic and caused a wipe? Or you made a joke about being new to a farm group after doing ~20 runs with them?

as I said No one Cares About 1st timers in all of these situations except that one person who decides to go out their way to make a first timer feel bad for being new

People generally don’t like first timers sneaking into farm groups for Extremes or weekly clear groups for Savage. More often than not, they go out of their way to hope people don’t notice they’re new, and they typically don’t have the experience they claim they’ve had (e.g., “I’ve been to Enrage” but hasn’t actually been there). People are looking for efficient clears, not to help someone clear. That’s what clear parties are for.

First timers shouldn’t feel bad for being new. But they should feel bad for sneaking into FARM groups and expecting the group to just smile and take them with no questions asked, or sneaking into a party for something that they have absolutely no business being in (like inexperienced players sneaking into Savage parties because they “done normal mode and Savage probably isn’t much different”—yes, I did have someone say this to me once).

I give new players 3 pulls before I leave, and really, that goes for farm groups in general. If it takes more than 3 pulls to clear, that’s not a farm.

[Syrus718]

So which was it? You made a joke as you queued in? Or you made a joke as soon as someone fudged up a mechanic and caused a wipe? Or you made a joke about being new to a farm group after doing ~20 runs with them?



People generally don’t like first timers sneaking into farm groups for Extremes or weekly clear groups for Savage. More often than not, they go out of their way to hope people don’t notice they’re new, and they typically don’t have the experience they claim they’ve had (e.g., “I’ve been to Enrage” but hasn’t actually been there). People are looking for efficient clears, not to help someone clear. That’s what clear parties are for.

First timers shouldn’t feel bad for being new. But they should feel bad for sneaking into FARM groups and expecting the group to just smile and take them with no questions asked, or sneaking into a party for something that they have absolutely no business being in (like inexperienced players sneaking into Savage parties because they “done normal mode and Savage probably isn’t much different”—yes, I did have someone say this to me once).

I give new players 3 pulls before I leave, and really, that goes for farm groups in general. If it takes more than 3 pulls to clear, that’s not a farm.

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

[SturmChurro]

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

Wow! You've cleared everything, and you are a bro to new players too?! Such a good guy.

[Syrus718]

Wow! You've cleared everything, and you are a bro to new players too?! Such a good guy.

Everything I Care About and Your Finally The First PersonTo Notice on This Thread Thanks. Now If We Can Get others to Help New Players Out.

[HyoMinPark]

Everything I Care About and Your Finally The First PersonTo Notice on This Thread Thanks. Now If We Can Get others to Help New Players Out.

I’m all for helping new players out........
........in the applicable situations.
Not in a farm party.
There is a time and a place.

[Syrus718]

I’m all for helping new players out........
........in the applicable situations.
Not in a farm party.
There is a time and a place.

I Understand you but there were no new players Just The thought of playing with one is starting to make a growing number of people mad is all I'm saying which is my point

[HyoMinPark]

I Understand you but there were no new players Just The thought of playing with one is starting to make a growing number of people mad is all I'm saying which is my point

You’re still failing to take note of context—people got snippy when you mentioned a new player in a party NOT meant for new players. This is not the same as them getting snippy about new people in general.

Your other situations don’t really prove your point either. People running ahead of a tank? Disrespectful, sure. But how does that apply to your premise of “people get mad about playing with new players”? Your comment about 24-mans is also strange: I’ve done the 24-mans at launch and people never say anything negative about new people because everyone is learning the content at this point.

[Vidu]

I Understand you but there were no new players Just The thought of playing with one is starting to make a growing number of people mad is all I'm saying which is my point

You dont seem to understand why they get mad though.
Its most likely not the thought of new people in general, but about new people in a context where they dont belong - and a new person simply doesnt belong in a farm-party easy as that.

And I can think of several scenarios about new people sneaking into farm-parties - not queuing with "Duty Completed" checked in the end, the bonus-message being missed or something simple like you having cleared the content, but passing the controller to your younger brother who has never even played the game and tell him to just have some fun while you take a shower. Seen it happen. Not joking.

There is a time and a place for new people and not wanting them in your farm-party OR expecting them to listen to advice and giving their best doesnt equal hating or abusing them.
There also is a time and a place for jokes - for me personally that would mainly be amongst friends to avoid as much missunderstandings as possible.

[SturmChurro]

Everything I Care About and Your Finally The First PersonTo Notice on This Thread Thanks. Now If We Can Get others to Help New Players Out.

I wish I was more like you.

[HyoMinPark]

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

Your opening post doesn’t mention anything about having been in the party for 20 runs. You didn’t add that until your response to me. Your OP just says you queued into the instance and said “first time here”. Perhaps write clearer and include all details from the start in the future.

In response to you having cleared everything—strangers don’t know this at first glance, nor can you expect them to unless you have obvious proof of it (which also brings us back to you wanting to link all your different weapons... if you believed everyone to know you were joking, why link them all?). But I don’t think anyone here was saying that you were actually a first timer—just that your joke was poor.