First Time Here

[Iscah]

Perhaps you need to not try "breaking the ice" by making pretend announcements that it's your first time, and then having to hold up the party to prove that you really aren't? (Which may or may not come off as an obnoxious "setup for a chance to show off all these Suzaku weapons I got already"...)

Clearly your sense of humour isn't going over very well with your party members.

If you'd just said hello, the whole thing might have gone smoothly and nobody would have had any issues with you at all. Instead the group got bogged down in an unnecessary discussion that left people with a negative opinion of you. Is that really "breaking the ice" and making the group more comfortable and friendly with each other? I think it's achieving the exact opposite, and making you -rightly or wrongly - perceived as the troublemaker at the source of it.


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Belated edit as I've hit my post limit for the moment, but I have to point out that just linking your Suzaku weapons isn't going to prove that you earned them, only that you recently looked at them somewhere and can re-link the items from the text log.

[KaivaC]

So...lemme see if I understand this right. You went into a farm party, said this was your first time here for shits and giggles, and now are complaining on the forums because people in said farm party took issue with you saying that this was your first time? And you don't see anything wrong with that sentiment at all? Just because you immediately showed that you had the weapons, doesn't mean that all is forgiven for what appears to be intentional trolling.

Suzaku has been around for a good while, so yes, if you join a farm party, you are expected to know a fight. If you join a clear party, you are expected to know the fight. Otherwise, you just might be wasting everybody else's time.

[Syrus718]

Perhaps you need to not try "breaking the ice" by making pretend announcements that it's your first time, and then having to hold up the party to prove that you really aren't? (Which may or may not come off as an obnoxious "setup for a chance to show off all these Suzaku weapons I got already"...)

Clearly your sense of humour isn't going over very well with your party members.

If you'd just said hello, the whole thing might have gone smoothly and nobody would have had any issues with you at all. Instead the group got bogged down in an unnecessary discussion that left people with a negative opinion of you. Is that really "breaking the ice" and making the group more comfortable and friendly with each other? I think it's achieving the exact opposite, and making you -rightly or wrongly - perceived as the troublemaker at the source of it.

Maybe I Miscommunicationed the fact That I started saying first Time here Long after Seeing first timers be chastised in every kind of content but your Response is definitely way off tone. I have never been kicked or percieved as obnoxious in duty. I do not farm with Suzaku weapons nor would it matter if I did. You Clearly missed the fact that Ive said I've done it after Every Check point there is to assure that no new player is the instance were passed there still are some who act like first timers are public enemy... but I like how you skipped over everything else to try and make a point out something you misinterpreted congrats for probably being one of them.

[HyoMinPark]

I have never been kicked or percieved as obnoxious in duty.

How do you know this to be the case, though? Can you read the minds of everyone you’ve partied with? People can find someone obnoxious and not say anything.

I like how you skipped over everything else to try and make a point out something you misinterpreted congrats for probably being one of them.

Iscah is one of the more patient posters here. Be they’re now an “elitist” because, what? They said something you don’t agree with?


On first timers: they aren’t a “public enemy”, but they do have no business being in an EX farm party with no clear. Does that give people the right to be jerks? No. But a newcomer sneaking into a farm or a weekly 2-chest party is being incredibly inconsiderate.

[Syrus718]

How do you know this to be the case, though? Can you read the minds of everyone you’ve partied with? People can find someone obnoxious and not say anything.



Iscah is one of the more patient posters here. Be they’re now an “elitist” because, what? They said something you don’t agree with?


On first timers: they aren’t a “public enemy”, but they do have no business being in an EX farm party with no clear. Does that give people the right to be jerks? No. But a newcomer sneaking into a farm or a weekly 2-chest party is being incredibly inconsiderate.

As I stated usually the response is Same Here Followed By Laughter... "Its Been My First Time For The Past 84 Runs" someone makes a Mistake on a mechanic the first time here jokes start. Especially when youv'e been in said farm party for over 20 runs already as I said No one Cares About 1st timers in all of these situations except that one person who decides to go out their way to make a first timer feel bad for being new

[HyoMinPark]

As I stated usually the response is Same Here Followed By Laughter... "Its Been My First Time For The Past 84 Runs" someone makes a Mistake on a mechanic the first time here jokes start. Especially when youv'e been in said farm party for over 20 runs already

So which was it? You made a joke as you queued in? Or you made a joke as soon as someone fudged up a mechanic and caused a wipe? Or you made a joke about being new to a farm group after doing ~20 runs with them?

as I said No one Cares About 1st timers in all of these situations except that one person who decides to go out their way to make a first timer feel bad for being new

People generally don’t like first timers sneaking into farm groups for Extremes or weekly clear groups for Savage. More often than not, they go out of their way to hope people don’t notice they’re new, and they typically don’t have the experience they claim they’ve had (e.g., “I’ve been to Enrage” but hasn’t actually been there). People are looking for efficient clears, not to help someone clear. That’s what clear parties are for.

First timers shouldn’t feel bad for being new. But they should feel bad for sneaking into FARM groups and expecting the group to just smile and take them with no questions asked, or sneaking into a party for something that they have absolutely no business being in (like inexperienced players sneaking into Savage parties because they “done normal mode and Savage probably isn’t much different”—yes, I did have someone say this to me once).

I give new players 3 pulls before I leave, and really, that goes for farm groups in general. If it takes more than 3 pulls to clear, that’s not a farm.

[Syrus718]

So which was it? You made a joke as you queued in? Or you made a joke as soon as someone fudged up a mechanic and caused a wipe? Or you made a joke about being new to a farm group after doing ~20 runs with them?



People generally don’t like first timers sneaking into farm groups for Extremes or weekly clear groups for Savage. More often than not, they go out of their way to hope people don’t notice they’re new, and they typically don’t have the experience they claim they’ve had (e.g., “I’ve been to Enrage” but hasn’t actually been there). People are looking for efficient clears, not to help someone clear. That’s what clear parties are for.

First timers shouldn’t feel bad for being new. But they should feel bad for sneaking into FARM groups and expecting the group to just smile and take them with no questions asked, or sneaking into a party for something that they have absolutely no business being in (like inexperienced players sneaking into Savage parties because they “done normal mode and Savage probably isn’t much different”—yes, I did have someone say this to me once).

I give new players 3 pulls before I leave, and really, that goes for farm groups in general. If it takes more than 3 pulls to clear, that’s not a farm.

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

[SturmChurro]

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

Wow! You've cleared everything, and you are a bro to new players too?! Such a good guy.

[HyoMinPark]

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

Your opening post doesn’t mention anything about having been in the party for 20 runs. You didn’t add that until your response to me. Your OP just says you queued into the instance and said “first time here”. Perhaps write clearer and include all details from the start in the future.

In response to you having cleared everything—strangers don’t know this at first glance, nor can you expect them to unless you have obvious proof of it (which also brings us back to you wanting to link all your different weapons... if you believed everyone to know you were joking, why link them all?). But I don’t think anyone here was saying that you were actually a first timer—just that your joke was poor.

[Ilan]

I'll Give Any farm party 2 pulls but that's not the point. The focus has now become completely about I joke I said was made. And now what seems to be everyone thinks I'm complaining about the first time here joke. Completely missing everything else. Not Complaining about being a first time because Ive Clear EVERYTHING I care about with my FC Way before joking a farm the topic isnt about me but it's been made about me when my focus was the treatment of new players. To answer your question. After already being in the duty. After already clearing it and after being in a farm for 20 plus no matter what people are being unfare to new players.... Remember The Joke Came Long After Noticing this

There are always people that are not nice to new players, in every game, but these players are not that often to find here in this game as you might think. Most people are completly relaxed when it comes to new players as long as they don't sneak into ex or savage farm parties, because this are parties to farm and not help parties. I wouldn't be amused either if someone would sneak into a farm partie for a newer ex primal with mechanics that you can't skip that easy.