First Time Here

[KaivaC]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

It was still a terrible joke, and the fact that you are still trying to defend it as if you are somehow in the right is laughable. The point is that you made a terrible joke. There's not point in you defending it - it was a bad joke and people reacted based on the fact that you said first timer in a farm party. Doesn't matter that no new message showed up, doesn't matter about the PF check - the crux of the issue right now is that you said it and somehow doesn't see it as wrong.

[HyoMinPark]

Your Although they may be sound are invalid

I beg your pardon?

because I stated it was a duty complet party meaning it was check.

Okay.

The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box.

Yes, and it can be fairly easy to miss.

And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The People who didnt Understand the joke want to hear it Because he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Probably because he’s been in parties in the past where first timers have snuck into a farm group claiming they’ve “seen enrage” or “know all the mechanics”, and then proceed to be hardcore carried by the group (or consistently wipe the group if they are an important party member like a tank or a healer)? I can certainly sympathize with that, as it has happened to me several times before.

Regardless, my point isn’t with regards to your poor choices in humor. It’s in regards to your apparent assumption that it’s okay for first timers to sneak into farm parties or weekly 2-chest parties.

[Miste]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Some people are oblivious to these things about DF Duty Complete checking entry and also even the new timer message. You have to understand not everyone knows what you are saying is a joke.

So yeah that person was totally oblivious that it was a joke, but you have to know sometimes you'll get oblivious people like this that won't understand your joke. It is sad some people just don't pay attention to how the game works but....yeah those people exist.

You kinda have to just accept the responses you get to jokes sometimes cause sometimes you will find people who don't understand them or take them the wrong way. /shrug

Also when it comes to a FARM party for EX/Savage fights, people have the right to be upset if someone actually new to the fight joins. A farm party is not the place for a first timer. Nothing is wrong with being a first timer, but you cannot join farms and expect them to take time out of their life to carry a new person through the fight. It wasn't what they made the party for.

[linay]

Your points Although they may be sound are invalid because I stated it was a duty complete party meaning it was check. The new to the duty message also appears in the chat box if you missed it on screen, like you said at 70 you should know this. And the One Time... YesOne Time There Was A Misconception People Who Knew it Was A Joke Said they all have Suzaku weapons they've cleared it... But The Person who didnt Understand the joke didnt not want to hear that reasoningBecause he only cares that someone said first time here which is my point

Maybe they thought you were playing with someone else's character and thus were able to pass the duty complete check while still new to the duty itself.

[SturmChurro]

Perhaps you need to not try "breaking the ice" by making pretend announcements that it's your first time, and then having to hold up the party to prove that you really aren't? (Which may or may not come off as an obnoxious "setup for a chance to show off all these Suzaku weapons I got already"...)

Clearly your sense of humour isn't going over very well with your party members.

If you'd just said hello, the whole thing might have gone smoothly and nobody would have had any issues with you at all. Instead the group got bogged down in an unnecessary discussion that left people with a negative opinion of you. Is that really "breaking the ice" and making the group more comfortable and friendly with each other? I think it's achieving the exact opposite, and making you -rightly or wrongly - perceived as the troublemaker at the source of it.

He's humble bragging, and trolling. lol.

[HyoMinPark]

He's humble bragging, and trolling. lol.

The funny thing is, if this is the case, EX weapons don’t hold much in terms of “bragging rights” nowadays.
At least, not in my opinion.

[SturmChurro]

The funny thing is, if this is the case, EX weapons don’t hold much in terms of “bragging rights” nowadays.
At least, not in my opinion.

Oh, I was agreeing with who I quoted. He was definitely humble bragging though, if he felt the need to link ALL of his weapons and totems. What you say makes it all the more funny.

[Syrus718]

Oh, I was agreeing with who I quoted. He was definitely humble bragging though, if he felt the need to link ALL of his weapons and totems. What you say makes it all the more funny.

To the both of you who brags with a item 385 weapon when there are 405 ones out theres. Since I dont use Suzaku weapons it was only to show I've it cleared the content After my words were taken to Serious By One Person in the party. But please continue missing the poi t

[Vidu]

So... let me break this down into what seems to be several complains, because all of them warrant a different response.

1) "Its my first time in this dungeon"
Dungeon in this context might be replaced by anything that isnt a Savage or Extreme Primal duty or in other words "casual content".
Those people should indeed not be belittled or mocked or in any other way robbed off a pleasent gaming experience provided they are doing two things: Playing their job appropratly for the given level of the duty in question (that means its okay for a tank to lose aggro in Sastasha during their very first run, but NOT okay for them to lose aggro in The Burn at level 70 - similar things apply to healers and dps, obviously) and that they either pick up mechanics fast enough by themself or listen to advice thats being presented to them in a polite manner.
Being new absolutly shouldnt mean getting harrassed, but it also includes the new person showing respect for the time of the other 3 people in the duty by trying their best instead of hiding behind "I'm new!" - this goes especially for people not being able to perform the basics of their jobs in endgame-content and then excusing that with being new to the dungeon.

2) Mean Mentors
This very much depends on the duty you get for your mentor roulette - as we all know it has a bunch of extremly complicated Ex-primal fights in there that are pretty much impossible to clear unless the majoruty knows the mechanics. And a fight like Thordan EX can hardly be explained during or before the run. Again, not a cause for harrassment but watching a video and informing yourself about those fights before queuing up is pretty much required. Sadly, the game does a very, very poor job of communicating to new people that EX-primals arent something they gonna clear using the DF. Not even with mentors. While I personally try my best to help them clear those fights, I honestly feel the two best advices you can give a new person in a duty like that is "Do this unsyched by using the PF" or "If you dont wanna do that, watch a video before you try this again".
Obviously this doesnt apply for normal duties, because they're so simple you dont need to watch videos in the first place.

3) Healer not dpsing on the first day of 24-men
Being anxious to a certain degree and more careful is understandable, but every healer has enough tools that allow them to quickly heal damage that occurs. Not knowing every mechanic thats gonna happen is not an excuse to stand around during those fights doing nothing most of the time. Being more careful - yes. Outright refusing to do something but stand around for a minute, waiting for the next thing to happen? Less acceptable, even on day one.
Like I mentioned earlier: This person is new to the content, not their job. I get wanting to play it safe, but thats no reason to basically not play at all.

4) Being "funny"
Humor is subjective and might not translate to well in a chat. Quite frankly, I find comments like the one you described making nothing but incredibly annoying and not the slightest bit funny. Call me humorless, but personally I want nice, clean farms, not some clown trying to "break the ice" with a comment thats doing nothing but raising red flags for people who have been burnt in the past by having people sneak into their farm-parties without knowing the fight.
People might not be paying attention to your weapons or to messages like that on the screen and they shouldnt have to just to notice something you consider a "joke". Joke around with people you know, dont try being funny with people that you dont and therefor have no idea how they're gonna react.
People in farm-parties might have been doing this content all day, are exhausted by now, just want their clean runs and are therefor a bit more sensitive, when it comes to "jokes" like that - and would rather run this content with someone who takes it more serious. Yes, its a game, yes, its supposed to be fun - but you need to accept that fun doesnt has the same meaning for everyone. Silly jokes might not be fun to the farm-parties you join.

5) Actually entering parties without the knowledge they're asking for
Obviously a simple No-no. Dont do that. Ever.
Dont enter a farm party if you dont have a few clears under your belt.
Dont enter a clear/enrage party if you havent seen the fight all the way through.
Dont enter a "practise phase X" party if you cant reach that phase comfortably.
If you're completly new to the fight, join a practise party from the start.
The "law" for this is the requirement that the party leader set for their PF.



Its not a crime to be new as long as you're trying your best and are being honest about it and respectful towards your fellow party-members.
Being new obviously doesnt mean that harrassment is okay - of course not!
But it also doesnt strip that person of any and every responsibility. Certain content does require a certain preperation and certain knowledge and skill has to be reasonably expected at a certain point.

We all need to treat each other with respect - the vets the new people by helping them the best they can; the new people by trying their best in return... and everyone by not making stupid comments that might be received the wrong way and cause unnecessary drama.

[Barraind]

Mentor roulette is getting a LOT of "these arent on any roulette, why do people keep queuing for them" trials the last couple weeks.

If I have to do any more synced ARR primal with people who have no idea what's going on, I'm going to pull my hair out. Spending 55 minutes in a trial I regularly solo unsynced (I see you over there, Garuda/Titan) in 2 is not my idea of a good or pleasant time.