Vidu I have all battle classes to 70, i do ex trials, check my mounts, i have done relics in the past... i know what a grind is... I know what you mean and i respect your input. Still this stage, the atma stage i feel it is too much.. i guess my opinion here.. but i feel it is too much.. for what is is worth. For my experience SE, just my opinion this is the only relic level 50 i will level, because the fate atma part is just too much... just my two cents, even though if forum community doesnt agree with it..