So people are defending the msq dc exploit

[Metalwrath]

What does your first part have to do with it? Your logic of being completely unquestioning of questionable design choices is ridiculous and I'm pointing that out. If the devs approached the game with your mindset that they are never to be criticised, then nothing would ever change in this game, for better or worse.

You're deliberatly taking what they are saying out of context.
They are trying to word what the players are doing without out and right saying thosoe players are cheating.And they are cheating.There's nothing to debate there about it.
Wheter devs designed something poorly is irrlevant.it doesnt give players an excuse to cheat.
And thats what has summed up a lot of this thread.
Dev's made it bad so it's their fault for palyers cheating.
Well its not.It's never been ok in any games to cheat and this new thing over the last few years where players try to throw the blame elsewhere for them playing dirty needs to some.
It's obvious case of millenial syndrom where younger gamers are so used to having everything their way in life and never been told off or punished for doing wrong that it because second nature to throw the blame off to someone else.

The thread is not about if the devs did a bad job with the content.The thread is about the fact that players are cheating and being let get away with it and being supported by some of the community which wil just encourage the abuse of more bugs found in the future.
And aside from that they are purposly destroying the experience for any new players to achieve this.

[Zephera]

You're deliberatly taking what they are saying out of context.
They are trying to word what the palyers are doing without out and right saying thosoe players are cheating.And they are cheating.There's nothign to debate there about it.
Wheter devs designed somethign poorly is irrlevant.it doesnt give players an excuse to cheat.
And thats what has summed up a lot of this thread.
Dev's made it bad so it's their fault for palyers cheating.
Well its not.It's never been ok in any games to cheat and this new thing over the last few years where players try to throw the blame elsewhere for them playing dirty needs to some.
It's obvious case of millenial syndrom where younger gamers are so used to having everything their way in life and never been told off or punished for doing wrong that it because second nature to throw the blame off to someone else.

The thread is not about if the devs did a bad job with the content.The thread is about the fact that players are cheating and being let get away with it and being supported by some of the community which wil just encourage the abuse of more bugs found in the future.
And aside from that they are purposly destroying the experience for any new players to achieve this.

So what would you do then? Punish everyone who dc's during a main scenario roulette? Laughable, you can't prove they're all exploiting like the Ungarmax bug.

[Metalwrath]

So what would you do then? Punish everyone who dc's during a main scenario roulette? Laughable, you can't prove they're all exploiting like the Ungarmax bug.

Nope i'd do what i said earlier in the thread.If there is evidence that a player has done it multiple times then punish them.They have logs of players connecting and disconnecting so actually its not that hard to see when people have been doing it multiple times in that onme particular instanced dungeon over several times.
I can tell you've been useing it btw.Your attitude and your last post.Its why you're so strongly defending it as you'd have nothing to gain by defending cheting if it wasnt the case.

[Zephera]

I can tell you've been useing it btw.Your attitude and your last post.Its why you're so strongly defending it as you'd have nothing to gain by defending cheting if it wasnt the case.

Cool assumption. I actually haven't run the roulette ever since they made the change.

If you genuinely disconnected, and came back to find everyone else still in the cutscene, you don't have to keep going. You can stay there and wait for the others to finish, and all continue on together. As the developers clearly envisaged everyone doing in the first place, without the need to force it upon people the rest of the time, although it was evidently an overly optimistic view of player behaviour.

Yeah, people typically find ways around things they don't like, especially if they think the rewards are worth it still. I personally don't care for the rewards it currently gives, had full 70's on all combat classes before the change and tomes are easier and more fun to get by doing literally anything else.

[Iscah]

So what would you do then? Punish everyone who dc's during a main scenario roulette? Laughable, you can't prove they're all exploiting like the Ungarmax bug.

If you genuinely disconnected, and came back to find everyone else still in the cutscene, you don't have to keep going. You can stay there and wait for the others to finish, and all continue on together. As the developers clearly envisaged everyone doing in the first place, without the need to force it upon people the rest of the time, although it was evidently an overly optimistic view of player behaviour.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

If you genuinely disconnected, and came back to find everyone else still in the cutscene, you don't have to keep going. You can stay there and wait for the others to finish, and all continue on together. As the developers clearly envisaged everyone doing in the first place, without the need to force it upon people the rest of the time, although it was evidently an overly optimistic view of player behaviour.

It is, but there's even a non-cut scene place where players are left behind frequently. The elevator. I once had someone click it right as I was trying to get onto it and it kicked me off, making me way behind the rest of the party. Sometimes I've seen it where only 2 or 3 people are on the elevator and leave the rest behind too. This is all too common already.

This is the same as any dungeon where someone wants to watch the CS before the final boss. You can see 'Viewing Cutscene" as the name and wait till it is gone to pull.

[Liam_Harper]

So what would you do then? Punish everyone who dc's during a main scenario roulette? Laughable, you can't prove they're all exploiting like the Ungarmax bug.

At the very least either investigate people who seem to dc on every cutscene in only that instance, multiple runs or punish the players who openly admit to exploiting the skip or encourage/demand others to. Quite simple.

I disagree with the mindset of justifying something against the rules because it wasn't designed to your preferences. I fully agree with feedback on the cutscenes (it's ridiculous it applies to unsynced runs for example) but breaking ToS and ruining the experience for new players doesn't sort anything.

[Zephera]

At the very least either investigate people who seem to dc on every cutscene in only that instance, multiple runs or punish the players who openly admit to exploiting the skip or encourage/demand others to. Quite simple.

I disagree with the mindset of justifying something against the rules because it wasn't designed to your preferences. I fully agree with feedback on the cutscenes (it's ridiculous it applies to unsynced runs for example) but breaking ToS and ruining the experience for new players doesn't sort anything.

Sure, I don't have a problem with punishing those who say they're exploiting out loud, it'll be similar to how they punish parser abuse then, but I really doubt they'd ever investigate deliberate dc'ing in cutscenes. They don't even investigate all the RMT bot guilds that are everywhere, it'd be way out of whack if they investigated people dc'ing versus something that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt like RMT.

[KaivaC]

You're deliberatly taking what they are saying out of context.
They are trying to word what the players are doing without out and right saying thosoe players are cheating.And they are cheating.There's nothing to debate there about it.
Wheter devs designed something poorly is irrlevant.it doesnt give players an excuse to cheat.
And thats what has summed up a lot of this thread.
Dev's made it bad so it's their fault for palyers cheating.
Well its not.It's never been ok in any games to cheat and this new thing over the last few years where players try to throw the blame elsewhere for them playing dirty needs to some.
It's obvious case of millenial syndrom where younger gamers are so used to having everything their way in life and never been told off or punished for doing wrong that it because second nature to throw the blame off to someone else.

The thread is not about if the devs did a bad job with the content.The thread is about the fact that players are cheating and being let get away with it and being supported by some of the community which wil just encourage the abuse of more bugs found in the future.
And aside from that they are purposly destroying the experience for any new players to achieve this.

Since I know you've been here since...still waiting for an answer. I'll be optimistic and assume that you might have missed it, so I'll post it up again, just for you. Because I'm nice like that.

Maybe how about you stop putting words in what I write. I have not once defended exploiting. But you seem to be hellbent on pushing this narrative of 'if you don't stand against it, you are for it'. That's not the case here at all. Each time I've talking about exploiting, I have not defended the practice, nor the toxicity that comes along with it. In fact, several times throughout this thread, I have pointed out WHY people are exploiting, and once again, I will say it: it's because those people who have an issue with the unskippable cutscenes simply do not want to watch them for the umpeenth time. Players have a habit of going with the most efficient way of doing things - that's why this exploit exists, and that is why I keep saying that this is happening.

Seriously.

What same posters defending what bad habits and toxicity? Please, educate me. I would love to know what group of people are you identifying as having these so-called bad habits. Please, do share. I'll wait.