Punished For wanting to get stuff done

[Tanro]

In a dungeon with a bad healer, so you vote dismiss them and it gets turned down.

You abandon duty.

Now you can't level for a half hour because there is nothing else to do in this game besides the same 5 dungeons to level.

This game has a serious lack of leveling content for the people to do besides spam the same 5 dungeons over and over.

Fates don't scale to the amount of people doing them. If there is 1 person it should be much quicker for that person to clear the fate by themselves.

Beast Tribes barely amount to anything.

Until the higher levels clan hunts barely amount to anything.

There are no leves anymore.

Not enough sidequests to level more than 2 jobs and thats being liberal with dungeon runs on one of them.

So you either need to get rid of the 30 min penalty for people who don't want their time wasted, or give us shit to do level solo.

[Taebok]

If you left simply because one players ability didn't meet your standards, then it sounds like the penalty is working as intended.

[Kurando]

If there is a bad healer, perhaps you can help teach them to be better? Don't expect every single player to be perfect at the game, the duties brings all types of players whether new or hardcore so don't be so quick to jump ship otherwise the penalty is working as intended. Also consider making parties via the PF if you want to avoid randoms effecting your gameplay

[SturmChurro]

If there is a bad healer, perhaps you can help teach them to be better? Don't expect every single player to be perfect at the game, the duties brings all types of players whether new or hardcore so don't be so quick to jump ship otherwise the penalty is working as intended. Also consider making parties via the PF if you want to avoid randoms effecting your gameplay

Nope. They do not listen to you, at all. Don't bother. Sometimes they just decide to kick you instead! PF parties are just as bad, or even worse, and take longer for the same outcome!

Also, "mentors" sometimes you try to give "advice" way too hard, and it comes off as very condescending.

I just do PoTD/HoH to level anymore. I hate leveling in the first place, but at least HoH gives me hair I can sell, and pets. Floor 40-50 of PoTD is a complete nightmare, but if you can get past that then the groups at 50-60 are generally at +99/99 and are there specifically to level, so about 99% of the time you won't have a problem there.

I wonder what OP's definition of "bad healer" is.
As healer, I met once a tank that raged at me because I weren't to keep his HP always fulled at 95%+

(edit: and I saw him using potions when it was 80%)

I'll give you an example from yesterday's roulette. Aurum Vale, healer is healing themselves at full half the time. I'm a red mage at 20% health because the healer decides they will only focus heal (if they actually heal someone other than themselves) the tank the entire encounter. Also, dies on the first boss. Oh, and was eating the tank's fruit, so the tank had to pull the boss across the boss room to find a fruit.

[Gemina]

I'll give you an example from yesterday's roulette. Aurum Vale, healer is healing themselves at full half the time. I'm a red mage at 20% health because the healer decides they will only focus heal (if they actually heal someone other than themselves) the tank the entire encounter. Also, dies on the first boss. Oh, and was eating the tank's fruit, so the tank had to pull the boss across the boss room to find a fruit.

That sounds like an inexperienced healer. Quite common to run across them in early content, and AV is the first encounter we get where a PUG isn't going to get through it just button smashing. Also, general rule of thumb in av is it's OK for the healer to take someone else's fruit, but never OK to take theirs. Considering this healer was focus healing the tank, the tank shouldn't even have moved at all. The fruits do respawn.

[SturmChurro]

That sounds like an inexperienced healer. Quite common to run across them in early content, and AV is the first encounter we get where a PUG isn't going to get through it just button smashing. Also, general rule of thumb in av is it's OK for the healer to take someone else's fruit, but never OK to take theirs. Considering this healer was focus healing the tank, the tank shouldn't even have moved at all. The fruits do respawn.

Well, they weren't focus healing the tank. They were focus healing themselves at full health. They occasionally only healed the tank. Also, died on that boss even though they were eating all the fruit on that side.

Inexperienced for sure. I actually have a high tolerance, but I can call something a duck when it walks like one. They should know how to target and who to target by Aurum Vale. I could understand dying on mechanics.

[Gemina]

Well, they weren't focus healing the tank. They were focus healing themselves at full health. They occasionally only healed the tank. Also, died on that boss even though they were eating all the fruit on that side.

Inexperienced for sure. I actually have a high tolerance, but I can call something a duck when it walks like one. They should know how to target and who to target by Aurum Vale. I could understand dying on mechanics.

Fair enough. I can only be on the outside looking in. I was just mentioning that it's a pre-anything dungeon, and AV is truly the first dungeon where the unavoidable damage packs a punch. It's usually the first dungeon a healer says, "Hey! What happened to all your guy's health!?" The behavior you described by this healer is indicative of one who was panicking, which comes from inexperience, anxiety, or both.

[Iscah]

Also, general rule of thumb in av is it's OK for the healer to take someone else's fruit, but never OK to take theirs. Considering this healer was focus healing the tank, the tank shouldn't even have moved at all. The fruits do respawn.

The fruits do respawn, but not fast enough when the newbie DPS just ate three at once, and you-the-tank are now at four poison stacks while trailing an angry ochu across the room...

Eat your fruit at two stacks. As far as I was aware, that's the only rule needed.

[Gemina]

The fruits do respawn, but not fast enough when the newbie DPS just ate three at once, and you-the-tank are now at four poison stacks while trailing an angry ochu across the room...

Eat your fruit at two stacks. As far as I was aware, that's the only rule needed.

For Locksmith, the fruits are literally everywhere, and respawn quickly. There really is no excuse for players letting too many stacks build up in that fight. A player going around eating fruit who has no stacks is an extreme example that is a rare case for a healer to deal with. If that is happening, someone needs to call that player out. Miser's Mistress is a different story, and I believe the OP was talking about the first fight specifically. For MM, it is usually best to inform a PUG how the fruit mechanic goes especially if there are sprouts due to there being much less of them, and far longer respawn time (I've actually never seem them respawn and just going by the guides that say they do). Otherwise MM tends to wipe most PUG at least once before they figure out that the fruit mechanic involves actual strategy.

[AppleJinx]

Beast tribe's exp reward is pretty great for how easy the daily quests are though. Also I feel you on players that makes you want to just abandon the thing because it's pretty clear when they aren't paying attention at all. So since they don't want to play the game, then I don't want to play with them either. This is why I only ever queue up roulette as a tank to minimize the damage to myself and maximize it to the randos. Now they can finish their netflix tv episode in peace.