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  1. #1
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    Fyce's Avatar
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Having played mostly with what people would consider to be "average groups", I can say that passed a certain point, personal improvements are quite difficult to make. It's a bit a case of "you have it or you don't". Forcing yourself through it has low chances of making you suddenly "get it".

    When you said that you had no excuses, that's false, you absolutly do. Everyone has their strenghts and weaknesses. And since you seem to do what's in your power to reduce the impact of your weakness in raids, then it's fine. Someone not trying to improve wouldn't be okay, but that's not your case.

    So, with these two points adressed, here are a few pieces of advice if you still want to try going further:
    1. Find a party willing to assist you in trying stuff. This is difficult, but if you manage to find the right people, and everyone agrees to make it a training session for you then you don't have to worry about failure anymore, as success is not the objective.
    2. Try different settings. If orientation is your weakness, ask to place points/waymarks, try new camera settings, legacy/normal moving method, camera height, etc.
    3. Try to find your sweet spot when it comes to content difficulty. Maybe the 4th stage of a tier is simply asking too much from you? Not every fight requires the same skills nor awareness. As other said, try the first one or two fights of a tier, and then take your decision.
    4. Learn from your mistakes, but also from other players' ones. This is something I see almost never happening in "average groups". Not only people just go back right in after failing something, and often fail again from a lack of self debriefing, but they also don't learn from other people's mistakes, which sometimes lead to the same mistake being made from different players.
    5. Be open with your mates. At this level of play, people do understand that differences in skill level plays a big role and that some may need more time than others. And unless you end up with some nasty players, they should have some patience and may even suggest some alternatives to make it easier for you. So, do communicate on that. And if you can be on a vocal server, it's even better. Voice over tends to make people more kind and accepting.

    Finally, once you've tried a bunch of things, don't be afraid to think that you've reach your limits. Again, everyone has limits. Me, for example, I know that while I'm doing mechanics correctly, I will drastically fall being in terms of my execution regarding my rotation (I'm a WAR), thus my DPS, because I lose track of my muscular memory when I raid lead heavily (and my group does need heavy raid leading...). I've tried countless methods to improve on that, but I can't do much more. That's my limit. That's my weakness.
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    Last edited by Fyce; 12-30-2018 at 05:45 PM.

  2. #2
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    MetalSnakeXI1's Avatar
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    Saleemius Arishiani
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    Goblin
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post

    When you said that you had no excuses, that's false, you absolutly do. Everyone has their strenghts and weaknesses. And since you seem to do what's in your power to reduce the impact of your weakness in raids, then it's fine. Someone not trying to improve wouldn't be okay, but that's not your case.

    So, with these two points adressed, here are a few pieces of advice if you still want to try going further:
    1. Find a party willing to assist you in trying stuff. This is difficult, but if you manage to find the right people, and everyone agrees to make it a training session for you then you don't have to worry about failure anymore, as success is not the objective.
    2. Try different settings. If orientation is your weakness, ask to place points/waymarks, try new camera settings, legacy/normal moving method, camera height, etc.
    3. Try to find your sweet spot when it comes to content difficulty. Maybe the 4th stage of a tier is simply asking too much from you? Not every fight requires the same skills nor awareness. As other said, try the first one or two fights of a tier, and then take your decision.
    4. Learn from your mistakes, but also from other players' ones. This is something I see almost never happening in "average groups". Not only people just go back right in after failing something, and often fail again from a lack of self debriefing, but they also don't learn from other people's mistakes, which sometimes lead to the same mistake being made from different players.
    5. Be open with your mates. At this level of play, people do understand that differences in skill level plays a big role and that some may need more time than others. And unless you end up with some nasty players, they should have some patience and may even suggest some alternatives to make it easier for you. So, do communicate on that. And if you can be on a vocal server, it's even better. Voice over tends to make people more kind and accepting.

    Finally, once you've tried a bunch of things, don't be afraid to think that you've reach your limits. Again, everyone has limits. Me, for example, I know that while I'm doing mechanics correctly, I will drastically fall being in terms of my execution regarding my rotation (I'm a WAR), thus my DPS, because I lose track of my muscular memory when I raid lead heavily (and my group does need heavy raid leading...). I've tried countless methods to improve on that, but I can't do much more. That's my limit. That's my weakness.
    It's a bit hard to find a static group to raid with and most of the time the difference in timezone makes it harder for me to raid with people I know,not to mention that I don't wanna keep them busy or force them into it.And my luck on the party finder has been really bad lately

    Im highly grateful for the advices tho so thanks a ton,sorry for the mopping episode I had

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrimace View Post
    (Don't worry about it.)

    If you stress out so much with Savage content, avoid it unless you have a bunch of chill friends. No one should have to get so uncomfortable that they feel like that doing anything. Yeah, you may miss out on getting the best gear available for a certain time period, but you'll keep your sanity. This is a game and it should be something you do for fun, not something you do to add unnecessary stress to your mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    If your not having fun, don't do it.
    The thing is,I did have a lot of fun with raiding before and occasionally I helped a dozen people clear Neo Exdeath

    But God Kefka was unlike any raid I've been a part of in FFXIV because one mistake on the forsakens will not just kill you but the entire party with you as well

    I only did savage raids for Deltascape and Sigmascape because of how much I love both FF5 and FF6 and while I did have fun learning both........the shock and amount of things to handle all at once in God Kefka caught me by a surprise even after memorizing the fight and making it to enrage.


    I'll try to at least clear up my mind and give God Kefka one last shot because for me now it's an obstacle I need to overcome.

    I will take a break from high end content raiding for a while after this but I need to push through God Kefka if only for the personal reason of overcoming my anxiety for this particular fight
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    Last edited by MetalSnakeXI1; 12-30-2018 at 09:25 PM.

  3. #3
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1 View Post
    It's a bit hard to find a static group to raid with and most of the time the difference in timezone makes it harder for me to raid with people I know,not to mention that I don't wanna keep them busy or force them into it.And my luck on the party finder has been really bad lately
    Yeah, as I said, it's the most difficult thing to do. But it doesn't have to be a static. Sometimes, people join simply because they are bored and are willing to give a hand.
    The best bet would probably be to find a Discord server for your Datacenter and ask people there if some of them could help. You can give them a link to this thread too to explain the situation.
    Unfortunatly, the official forums are terrible for that. They really should rework the "Worlds" sections.
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