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[Thamorian]

I disagree that ability bloat even exists.

I use gamepad and have plenty plenty of space. We are allowed up to 8 hot bars and I dont even really use half of that.... and have tons of empty spaces. (excluding the 4 hot bars I dont even use.)

If they reduce the number of actions again, I fear they gut the jobs even worse at lower levels, and people complain about low level content and high level content....

Can someone tell me which content they prefer? If low level is "horribly boring" and high level content is "too confusing with ability bloat" what is the magical number. at level 50 we have 26 abilities with role actions, and you dont even use all of them. I dont know anyone who prefers level 50 content really. Surely you dont want to have the game play like it was in A Realm Reborn? I even saw people say stuff like 10 abtilites or so. Thats like level 30..... You guys want the devs to sync the game down to level 30 content?

Not all of us want to use more than 3 hotbars during combat that we quick access with L2/R2, L2+R2/R2+L2 and R2+R2/L2+L2 and some jobs do fill 3 hard bars up a bit much. Some of us do not want to suffer through the awkwardness of scrolling through crossbars with R1 or R1+Directional/Face button.

[Daniolaut]

Not all of us want to use more than 3 hotbars during combat that we quick access with L2/R2, L2+R2/R2+L2 and R2+R2/L2+L2 and some jobs do fill 3 hard bars up a bit much. Some of us do not want to suffer through the awkwardness of scrolling through crossbars with R1 or R1+Directional/Face button.

No one has to.

You absolutely cannot fill up 3 hot bars with the current number of actions.
(edit except for SCH/SMN including all role abilities + all pet actions.)

I dont know what all those buttom combos mean in your comment but it sounds like you arent doing something correctly. I only press R1 and R2 and L2. Thats it...
and ...
Square, Triangle, Circle... thats it...

like most of the time.. thats it.

I also never press R1 and Directional buttons. Ever.

I also use all actions, and have access to all actions.

I also also only use 3 hot bars, and a 4th "role ability" hotbar that I get to by pressing R1 plus Square. thats. it. R1, S > T > C, thats it!

Its not confusing. its super simple. and I have lotttsss of empty space. Using only 3 hot bars.

And yet it does, though it has gotten a lot better since ARR/HW. Back when Stone, Malefic etc and their different levels took up their own keybind space.

Even now there are abilities that serve no purpose being their own separate actions. Impact, for example, shouldn't have to be a separate spell on the hotbar, just bundle it into Jolt II.

Just because it can fit on your bars doesn't mean it isn't bloat. Having an ability/skill for the sake of it, is bloat.

Interesting how you responded to me without saying what the magic number is. I specifically asked what people consider the magic number.

So youre saying you can have 500 abilities, so long as they all are useful its not ability bloat? So long as they ... arent an ability for the sake of it? I disagree completely with that statement.

If you arent saying that, and the number of abilities is the problem, I would ask that you say what the magic number is. Keep in mind that level 30, which most players find boring, is about 10-15 actions or thereabout. Level 50 is 26 actions/abilities.