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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    There's no button bloat with the job at all and the rotation literally isn't even that hard to place efficiently on your hotbar or complex at all to understand and follow through.
    Button bloat is not the only reason why you should design the job smarter. Having to place mutualy exclusive skills on different slots is stupid, especially after they fixed exactly that on WAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Button bloat is not the only reason why you should design the job smarter. Having to place mutualy exclusive skills on different slots is stupid, especially after they fixed exactly that on WAR.
    If you have issues with Black Mage hotbar management, then I'm going to assume your bars are trainwrecks because you already don't know what you're doing to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    If you have issues with Black Mage hotbar management, then I'm going to assume your bars are trainwrecks because you already don't know what you're doing to begin with.
    Then stop assuming and start thinking, maybe it will help you realize that Blizzard IV and Fire IV are as mutually exclusive as Inner Beast/Fell Cleave and Steel Cyclone/Decimate.
    Therefore, there is literally no good reason for them to require two slots in your hotbars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Then stop assuming and start thinking, maybe it will help you realize that Blizzard IV and Fire IV are as mutually exclusive as Inner Beast/Fell Cleave and Steel Cyclone/Decimate.
    Therefore, there is literally no good reason for them to require two slots in your hotbars.
    I am thinking. There's literally no reason why Fire IV and Blizzard IV need to be consolidated onto one button because you find pressing either one too much work apparently when you're pressing Fire IV more than you're pressing Blizzard IV anyways to begin with.

    I bet you're a Black Mage that uses Freeze too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    your bars are trainwrecks because you already don't know what you're doing to begin with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I bet you're a Black Mage that uses Freeze too.
    Behold, the very definition of "I don't have any argument so I'll resort to personal attacks to make me look smart".
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    There is literally no good reason to reduce the BLM rotation like this.
    And you mistake "rotation of skills" with "rotation of buttons"...
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 12-28-2018 at 09:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    And you mistake "rotation of skills" with "rotation of buttons"...You'd make such a nice test subject for Confucius.
    It's not hard to press Swiftcast -> Blizzard 3 -> Enochain -> Blizzard IV -> Fire 3 -> Fire IV.

    If we were arguing Dragoon, I'd concede. But, this is all you're literally mostly doing the whole time aside from using some of your other abilities. It's not that much work that you need a mutual exclusive button that does Fire IV and Blizzard IV. Seriously, if BLM is too hard for you, how do you play Dragoon or Red Mage, even Red Mage has more buttons than Black Mage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Behold, the very definition of "I don't have any argument so I'll resort to personal attacks to make me look smart".
    Btw, perhaps you shouldn't start personal attacks with me yourself when your Black Mage is lvl 38 and pretend that you're somehow smarter than the one who actually mains the class.
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    Last edited by Sigma-Astra; 12-28-2018 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Seriously, if BLM is too hard for you, how do you play Dragoon or Red Mage, even Red Mage has more buttons than Black Mage.
    Seriously, why can't you understand that this has nothing to do with easy/hard it is to play a job and only how hotbar slots don't need to be used for skill that you can't use under certain conditions ?
    You know, like Forbidden Chakra replace Meditation when you have 5 chakras...Enchanted Moulinet replace Moulinet when you have enough Mana...Heated Split shot replace Split Shot when you have enough heat...or, again, how Fell Cleave replaces Inner Beast under Deliverance...
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Btw, perhaps you shouldn't start personal attacks with me yourself when your Black Mage is lvl 38 and pretend that you're somehow smarter than the one who actually mains the class.
    This is not personal attack, it's called facts. You have said nothing but "Boo hoo, it's too hard for you because you're bad", proving that you clearly don't know the difference between how you use skills, and how you use buttons.
    And I also guess one year and a hal in the forum didn't teach you the concept of main and alt, and that forum characters are not always a good way to see people levels...

    But, sure, you must be pretty smart to know that you use Fire IV under Astral Fire and Blizzard IV under Umbral Ice...mindblown !
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 12-28-2018 at 12:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I am thinking. There's literally no reason why Fire IV and Blizzard IV need to be consolidated onto one button
    I can think of one really good reason. It frees up real estate on my bars. Maybe you don't think there's an issue of available real estate but not everyone agrees with you. Consolidating Fire IV and Blizzard IV into one button does nothing to ease BLM's rotation outside of reduce the required finger gymnastics slightly.
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 01-22-2019 at 04:51 AM.
    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    I can think of one really good reason. It frees up real estate on my bars. Maybe you don't think there's an issue of available real estate but not everyone agrees with you. Consolidating Fire IV and Blizzard IV into one button does nothing to ease BLM's rotation outside of reduce the required finger gymnastics slightly.
    What real estate are we reducing it for though? What other skill or ability are you going to put into that empty space? You're not using several abilities already. Instead of consolidating abilities that have worked fine on their own, we should be focusing on lackluster abilities that do absolutely nothing yet they're there like Freeze.

    As for finger gymnastics, your finger isn't really jumping around too much if you've been smart and placed Fire IV and Blizzard IV on the first hotbar and practically almost next to each other. If you put Blizzard IV on a second hotbar, I'd have to wonder if you enjoy making your life difficult for no real purpose.
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    Last edited by Sigma-Astra; 01-23-2019 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    What real estate are we reducing it for though? What other skill or ability are you going to put into that empty space?
    Maybe an actually functional version of that Freeze spell you keep insulting people for possibly having on their bars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    You're not using several abilities already. Instead of consolidating abilities that have worked fine on their own, we should be focusing on lackluster abilities that do absolutely nothing yet they're there like Freeze.
    So, we should fix spells the spells that currently make space an non-issue (because, to take your advice, just don't bind them), but not also make space for them after doing so, despite it costing absolutely nothing to make that space?

    You can have both, you realize? You can have functional abilities and a non-redundant button-space. They are not mutually exclusive.
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