Thread: [Spoilers] The Patch 4.5 Lore Discussion Thread!

I'm guessing Varis is meaning it in the vein of the Garlean's natural ineptitude for naturally manipulating aether. The German version almost makes it sound like all the races will be the same... heh... that's a very Ascian approach to it. Throw down the barriers separating us and have us all be the same? I remember who told us something similar (If you knew what I did, we'd be of the same mind). Of course, Elidibus never bothered to tell us the information he was so sure would make us agree to his view of the world...

I'm very suspicious that all of Varis' knowledge of the Rejoining and what happens after Zodiark comes back has been heavily filtered by Elidibus. I almost expect the Alliance to disagree with his ideas just on principle since they have a very different idea about what would happen if the Ascians had their way...

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

I'm guessing Varis is meaning it in the vein of the Garlean's natural ineptitude for naturally manipulating aether. The German version almost makes it sound like all the races will be the same... heh... that's a very Ascian approach to it. Throw down the barriers separating us and have us all be the same? I remember who told us something similar (If you knew what I did, we'd be of the same mind). Of course, Elidibus never bothered to tell us the information he was so sure would make us agree to his view of the world...

I'm very suspicious that all of Varis' knowledge of the Rejoining and what happens after Zodiark comes back has been heavily filtered by Elidibus. I almost expect the Alliance to disagree with his ideas just on principle since they have a very different idea about what would happen if the Ascians had their way...

It wouldn't be the first time a Final Fantasy game pulled the different races came from one race card though. XI's non beast races originated from survivors of the Zilart and Kuluu (the ones not mutated into Tonberries) being altered by the Mother Crystals' use of the Crystal Warrior templates.

French detail!

On the Solus moment when in English he says "You of all people should understand" he says in French "The answer seems obvious to me. You're talking to an Ascian" that's the only major meaning difference I believe.

my top thoery is gaius has been using the heart of sabik to deal with the ascians he has seemingly took out.

I'd have to check my lorebook again, but didn't that thing go boom with Ultima Weapon? If they were going to use it again I figured that they might have shown a mysterious hand picking it up or something?

I think the best way they can resolve Gaius' survival is by never explaining in details how he did survive. Any explanation would feel corny or unnecessary at this point.

Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

To be fair, we all were led to believe Gaius also was caught up in Ultima's boom. Really, anything's possible.

Ouch. Got me there. >_<'

I don't think they're going to bother with the Heart of Sabik again though. It was more or less only used in 2.0 to have a through-line with the original plot.

Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

I think the best way they can resolve Gaius' survival is by never explaining in details how he did survive. Any explanation would feel corny or unnecessary at this point.

I'm of mixed minds here...you have a point since it would be corny, but they probably should have something for us poor lore folk...

Originally Posted by CaesarCV

I'm of mixed minds here...you have a point since it would be corny, but they probably should have something for us poor lore folk...

I too have mixed feelings about it. If Oda-san manages to write something cool around it, I'd love it to death. Who knows we'll see that in Shadowbringer short stories! I think those would be a better format for this kind of side information that wouldn't be relevant being revealed out of nowhere in the MSQ. But I'm also a sucker for storytelling that leaves open spaces for imagination and creation of myths and legends and the XIV team have always been great about this. So I wouldn't mind if they never explained it.