Thread: [Spoilers] The Patch 4.5 Lore Discussion Thread!

Originally Posted by KageTokage

If I had to guess, they represents the Source and the various shards, with the one in front of the WoL representing the first and its light-scarred state.

If merely being close to falling to a Flood Of Light would be enough to change the First's glyph to be noticeably different from the others, the glyph representing the Thirteenth, which has actually fallen to Darkness, should have been even more dramatically changed.

I don't see any such obviously different glyphs, though.

If the aetherial platform is indeed a representation of the Fourteen Shards, I would instead guess that the pointy spiky sun one is the Source.

The trailer had a lot of interesting things to so and quite a few possibilities left up to interpretation. Rather than making things clearer it just raised even more questions. I suppose the trailer did a good job of not giving way too much so they could be properly answered in game.

I'm still kind of wondering why a threat of a calamity of light would be occurring. Have our successes been enough to tip that scale? It seems weird to me since it's been suggested throughout the game's story that Hydaelyn had failed nearly every time to stop the tide of darkness yet it's a threat of light that seems to be the main thing focused on now. We know the Voice speaks of the path leading of a calamity, the question on why this is still lingers a bit on my mind as I think about it. It's probably because prior to 4.4 there wasn't really an indication that the balance was off in that way. There is definitely something more going on... and I can't even begin to guess what it is right now. It's going to be a long way to the 8th and an even longer waited if it is not answered in Part 1 lol

I'm leaning towards Hydaelyn's attempt at rebalancing the first shard having gone horribly wrong somehow and that it's now the cause for the Source's balance being skewed towards the light, though it wouldn't surprise me if someone or something else over there was responsible for what's going on.

We know a shard is somehow involved in this mess from the stinger in the trailer, and I can't think of what other shard they'd be referring to, though if it's also the star the voice is referring to, I can't imagine they intend any kind of positive outcome for it ("Give the lie to this star's fraudulent existence" sounds like the words of someone who wants it gone).

Hydaelyn shows herself as wanting balance, but Elidibus acts as if that is not what she wants. Either she is actually leading us to not having a balance with Dark and Light or we as her Champion without her guidance for so long just kept fighting for her aimlessly to a point things will get screwed up.

Originally Posted by YianKutku

If merely being close to falling to a Flood Of Light would be enough to change the First's glyph to be noticeably different from the others, the glyph representing the Thirteenth, which has actually fallen to Darkness, should have been even more dramatically changed.

I don't see any such obviously different glyphs, though.

If the aetherial platform is indeed a representation of the Fourteen Shards, I would instead guess that the pointy spiky sun one is the Source.

Plus the fact that 7 of the shards no longer exist.

I wonder how Gaius is going to play into all of this? That he survived the events of ARR is mysterious enough, though he also now apparently has the power to track down and slay Ascians. That in itself implies that someone or something is pulling his strings, though despite his noble intentions it may backfire since simply defeating all the Ascians risks bringing about disaster. That could be where the whole Warrior of Darkness angle comes into play, though perhaps the long term goal will be to become the Warrior of Balance.

I'd have preferred Arbert to stick around and play the part of the Warrior of Darkness but I suppose that can't be helped now.

Originally Posted by Mieck

So, there's a few questions that can be raised around the Varis / Alliance leaders in a Garlean tent scene. The seats bear the Garlean flag embossed in the backs and ivory standards by the entrance.



Is it the prelude to the battle? Invitation extended? These are my terms of your surrender, reject them and we will crush you sort of thing?
Have the alliance faught the Empire to a standstill?


I offer no side here, but these are the things I thought about during that sequence.

The leaders and Varis are likely in the Garlean Consulate in Kugane so I have a feeling Varis is fed up with how his country is going down the drain because of who is actually running his country, and he spills some secrets to the Eorzean Alliance in exchange for help to oust the puppetmaster (PUP confirmed in a future xpac!! lol) The Consulate is likely the safest place for a meeting like that. I know someone on reddit waaaay back during 4.0/4.1 found that the stairs leading up to the Garlean Consulate were padded for use - if you go to where it is and swing your camera around, your camera bumos up against and moves up onto the stairs as opposed to, say, the Thavnair Consulate's stairway where your camera moves through the stairs (no padding.)

Just had a thought. What if the Warrior of Light becoming the Warrior of Darkness is the way Hydaelyn is going to balance out light and dark after the Ascians are killed off?

Killing of the Ascians is all but necessary at this point in order to stop them from further messing with history, the shards, the source and ending life as we know it. But that creates an imbalance. So what if the balance is kept by having someone else take the place of the Ascians after the fact? At least, so far as Balance is concerned?

Originally Posted by Theodric

I wonder how Gaius is going to play into all of this? That he survived the events of ARR is mysterious enough, though he also now apparently has the power to track down and slay Ascians. That in itself implies that someone or something is pulling his strings, though despite his noble intentions it may backfire since simply defeating all the Ascians risks bringing about disaster. That could be where the whole Warrior of Darkness angle comes into play, though perhaps the long term goal will be to become the Warrior of Balance.

I'd have preferred Arbert to stick around and play the part of the Warrior of Darkness but I suppose that can't be helped now.

It does raise a few interesting questions about the impact of this calamity. Is it simply what the Warrior of Light is doing or are they're boarder factors that have led to this conclusion?

When the idea of us becoming the Warrior of darkness that was kind of the first thing that kind of came to mind to me giving Albert original plea to us to 'Forge a different path' and that 'Light and Darkness doesn't matter, it's what you do with it' speech. I was kind of thought this different path might be that we have the master the power of both Light and Darkness in order to actually resolve the problem. I still think this is a possibility because if we are being threaten by a Calamity of Light and yet we've been told that we are engaging in Garleans during Fanfest, would defeating Elibius and Solus make these matters worse? I’d bet there is definitely more to all of this then what our initial impressions from Fanfest and the 4.5 trailer suggest.