A request from a Ninja.

[Iscah]

Even if the models are separate, that might not make it a simple thing to change it. They may still have to go into every model and add instructions to make the "off-hand" section vanish if a separate item is equipped there. And they would have to create a new item for each piece of off-hand gear.

And as wereotter said, that might well be judged as not a worthwhile thing to spend their time on - and possibly an unnecessary increase to the overall file size of the game, if it has to store these "new" item models separately to their identical originals.

[Rongway]

Even if the models are separate, that might not make it a simple thing to change it. They may still have to go into every model and add instructions to make the "off-hand" section vanish if a separate item is equipped there. And they would have to create a new item for each piece of off-hand gear.

That's included in the one time modification to the system, though. And no, they don't need to create a new item for each piece of off-hand gear: that's the whole point of having a singular off-hand usable at all levels that serves only to be a glamour receptacle.

Yes, it would require work to change. But once the system were set up, it wouldn't commit us to forever spending extra dev time on it.

[Iscah]

And no, they don't need to create a new item for each piece of off-hand gear: that's the whole point of having a singular off-hand usable at all levels that serves only to be a glamour receptacle.

But what gets glamoured onto that receptacle? Items. In fact there would be no point to having the "statless glamour receptacle" in the first place, you'd just have the individual items to be placed directly in the slot. It would have the same end result.

And I would much rather the two-piece weapons continue to come as they are, with a matching off-hand part already integrated into the design.

This also seems to be the developers' preference, given their choice to make RDM weapons - and even NIN - integrated from the start when they clearly could have been separate at a concept level.

[Rongway]

But what gets glamoured onto that receptacle? Items. In fact there would be no point to having the "statless glamour receptacle" in the first place, you'd just have the individual items to be placed directly in the slot.

You're overcomplicating this. Just glamour the mainhand weapon onto the offhand dummy item. You don't have to double the number of weapons and make all offhands their own items. That's what the offhand glamour receptacle would be for.

[Iscah]

You're overcomplicating this. Just glamour the mainhand weapon onto the offhand dummy item. You don't have to double the number of weapons and make all offhands their own items. That's what the offhand glamour receptacle would be for.

The game isn't going to let you do that. It's not how it handles glamours.

You can only glamour items onto other items of the same type, and a main-hand weapon is not an off-hand weapon.

This is why we still can't even glamour "one-handed conjurer's weapons" over "two-handed conjurer's weapons". The game doesn't see them as the same class of item.


Additionally the theoretical receptacle would need to be Lv1 (or even Lv50 for a beginner RDM) so you can equip it straight away, but all your weapons are going to be higher-leveled than that, and the glamour system will not let you apply glamours to an item with a lower level than the glamour piece.


I'm not just overcomplicating things. The game is overcomplicated in its item system, and you have to follow its logic.

[Rongway]

The game isn't going to let you do that. It's not how it handles glamours.

That's the whole point of this thread.

[Nalien]

This creates the requirement of a lot of work for little in-game benefit

I think it could make for some form of additional "content" to have such a system in place. Granted, I'm thinking more about what I suggested with Bard and Summoner for that (do Sephirot, get drop that you equip to have Sephirot-Egi), but it holds true for Ninja as well. Rather than going out and getting one weapon to use for a glamour, you're getting two. They add a new weapon that you prefer? Might work better with a different weapon in the offhand so you can go out and get that. Perhaps it works better with the Final Coil weapon, so suddenly you're out doing Final Coil.

It's not a massive piece of content, but it's something else to do, and glamour is the true endgame after all... I'd actually rather SE make new options like this, than just continue to provide us with more of the same... Ideal world I'd want both, since more options are never bad, but given the choice between one new set of weapons for every job, or a new way to customise all the existing weapons in the game? I'd opt for the later. I'd gladly pass up a new set of glamour options to instead have more options with the existing glamours. They add a new set of daggers, I consider that vs what I currently use and that's it. They add something like is being suggested here? Suddenly I'm reconsidering almost every dagger in the game, and the content involved to obtain them.

[Hercub]

( I had posted this yesterday in the DPS Roles section of this forum but it didn't look too busy over there. I'm gonna try again and post it over.)

Since we're a job that dual-wields, I would like to be able to mix up my ninja weapons. My favorite rog/nin weapons .[/SIZE]

I don't know as a kung fu cowboy I like my weapons even so there is no imbalance in the stance and the Chi. I kind of agree in essence in terms of the MCH, which I also play. This guy is riding straight up shotgun in my opinion. But why can't he have a couple of pistols? Like I always say never bring a knife to a gun fight. The original war wasn't Pirates vs. Ninjas but Cowboys Vs. Ninja. Man, that was straight up fist no weapons involved. Man, I'm a cowboy, baby. --Quote from a Kid Rock Song. The lyrics were changed in that song, it wasn't "I can smell a pimp from a mile away," it was instead, "I can smell a pig from a mile away."

I guess at some point the FCC is coming down on this game. Man, get the FDA in check before you bother us. If a medicine is supposed to cure Krohns or IBS and it has more side effects than the problem, and if you are taking medication on top of medication just to cure the side effects...then it's time to just take the plunge and drink a nice cold can of Diet Coke or two. In Japan it actually has fiber it. I love Japan. I'm just straight up Mexican right here, I know not to desecrate that culture with my presence.

[Haruka_R]

little in-game benefit,

No such thing. It's a quality of life sort-of thing, and the little things should always be appreciated.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Kinda bothered me how Paladins were the only ones that had offhand weapon they have to equip, and yet NIN and RMG never got a separate offhand weapon slot. I mean, it's not a deal breaker - but always puzzled me they went that route - seems inconsistant.