A request from a Ninja.

[Haruka_R]

Since we're a job that dual-wields, I would like to be able to mix up my ninja weapons. My favorite rog/nin weapons are the Adamantite Main Gauches and the Withered Vajras, because they look like a pair of Sais. I collect rog/nin weapons and am constantly switching up glamours for em. There are quite a number of rog/nin weapons that I like.

But lately I've been feeling unsatisfied. The Rog/Nin weapons always come in identical pairs. It's never a different looking weapon in each hand. I wish I could have one of my favorite weapons in one hand, and, say, a Shinryu Dagger or Karasu dagger or just a plain ol' dagger in the other. Just another way to express individuality and expand customization.

You know Thancred? He now gets to use a washed-up Allagan Cleaver along with his steel baselard. Wow that looks cool I thought. I wish I could dual wield different weapons in each hand just he can. Wink wink nudge nudge.

So, I request that we Ninjas are given the option to mix up our ninja weapons. As for how you'd go about doing that... You know the extra slot in our gear window for tank shields and DoL/DoH tools? How about, for Rouges and Ninjas, have that slot be used as a glamour slot for secondary weapons we'd like to glamour up? Something like that. Orrrrr you can get that art team to start drawing up some non-identical rog/nin weapons.

One last thing. Can we get a pair of Doman Sais in the game please? Because there are Katana's, kanabo's, Zangetsu's, and good ol ninja short swords. But no Sais. So, Sai weapons please.

That's it from me. Thanks for reading.

[Rongway]

Since we're a job that dual-wields, I would like to be able to mix up my ninja weapons. My favorite rog/nin weapons are the Adamantite Main Gauches

That's slightly ironic, considering mains gauches shouldn't be paired: a main gauche is an off-hand dagger. Its name is literally "Left Hand". On this point alone, your request should have merit.

[Rongway]

But of course there are technical things that need to be considered. Should NIN weapons become individual daggers, of which you equip one in each hand and glamour individually? This in itself doesn't sound like it should be too much trouble--average the weapon damage and split the substats.

What about loot? There'd be two daggers each time the chest rolled NIN, and if there's another NIN in the party, you might only get one of the two weapons. Shouldn't be a common occurrence, and certainly not in partyfinder, but it could happen occasionally in matched runs.

What of upgrading tomestones weapons? To keep it down to a single dip token, you'd have to buy both tomestone daggers, whether you want both or not.

Blue weapons (uniques) will have to be paired; at the very least, a "left" and a "right" version of the same item, if not two altogether different items. This means more data for the game to handle and more weapon design time.



Or should we keep the current weapons in their single-slot paired forms, but futz with the glamour system to allow two separate glamours? This would probably be the more complicated implementation, but could avoid the above problems.

[Yeol]

The can treat the second dagger like PLD shield.

[Ilan]

You mean like literally 2 weapons? Nah thanks, i don't want to farm two weapons.

[Haruka_R]

Or should we keep the current weapons in their single-slot paired forms, but futz with the glamour system to allow two separate glamours? This would probably be the more complicated implementation, but could avoid the above problems.

Yes, this is more what I was trying to get at. Everything else you said sounds like extra work for the devs. I dunno how their technical stuff works since I'm no developer. But just now I thought of how there are Left Rings and Right rings. And if we have that, then perhaps they could develop like a glamour slot for Ninjas.

[Haruka_R]

No. Main weapon in main hand, glamour weapon in the other.

[Haruka_R]

Yes, this is more what I was trying to get at. Everything else you said sounds like extra work for the devs. I dunno how their technical stuff works since I'm no developer. But just now I thought of how there are Left Rings and Right rings. And if we have that, then perhaps they could develop like a glamour slot for Ninjas.

That's slightly ironic, considering mains gauches shouldn't be paired: a main gauche is an off-hand dagger. Its name is literally "Left Hand". On this point alone, your request should have merit.

Also that's pretty cool, I had no idea.

[Ilan]

Yes, this is more what I was trying to get at. Everything else you said sounds like extra work for the devs. I dunno how their technical stuff works since I'm no developer. But just now I thought of how there are Left Rings and Right rings. And if we have that, then perhaps they could develop like a glamour slot for Ninjas.

So you basically want to be able to glamour 1 weapon twice, i don't think SE can make this happen. It would be more likely that they would've to split it up into two items, like the rings, to make it possible.

[Rongway]

So you basically want to be able to glamour 1 weapon twice, i don't think SE can make this happen. It would be more likely that they would've to split it up into two items, like the rings, to make it possible.

It sounds like Haruka is leaning toward having a dummy weapon in the offhand...This avoids several problems that would need to be dealt with if weapons were separate:

• You won't have split loot (like when two PLDs in a party have to fight over a sword and shield).
• You won't have to buy two tomestone weapons if you want to upgrade one (like PLD has to buy both the sword and the shield and upgrade them simultaneously with a single token)
• Extra dev time doesn't need to be spent in the future designing extra weapons.
• Extra space doesn't need to be spent on having two separate weapons where each other job only has one.
• Weapon stats won't need to be balanced to account for splitting across two separate weapons.

Basically,

Main hand: has all the stats
Off hand: has 0 stats, serves only to be glamoured. A single item usable at all levels.

if (off hand not equipped)
....draw main hand weapon in both hands
else
....draw main hand weapon in main hand
....draw off hand glamour in off hand

This would actually be an ingenious implementation and much less complicated than anything else that has been discussed so far.