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    Hope_For_Change's Avatar
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    Change to the ban system.

    Hello, I've been reported in the past to the point of the next one being an account deletion and thous I feel like I'm unable to even use my main account anymore. This is my second account that I'm working on in the event I do slip up and lose everything. Each time I've been reported on my main account besides the first time ever have all been caused by someone else provoking me into the situation and it is not hard to make me upset and start to say things I don't mean. What I'm about to suggest would make it so that I won't feel as if I do slip up or someone takes something I say out of context, that I won't lose my main with almost 800 days of play time on. Well here is my idea for a new ban system. Currently the system is something like this. First time is a warning depending on what you're being reported for. Second time is a 24 hour ban, third time is a 48 hour ban while the forth is up to 1 week depending on what the report is and then after that, the last time is your account deleted for ever. What I'm suggesting is that you keep everything as is but change the deleted account into a 1 month long ban depending on what your being reported for. Things that would be a account deletion would include but not limited to, Hate speech, death threats, botting, hacking, RWTing. All of my bans have been made because I have extreme emotions so it is easy to set me off when someone is attacking my friends or another player who I'm siding with against the toxic player. My last report not long ago was because I told someone who was being toxic to a tank in o12s for not tanking the way this player expected. When we backed out and the tank left, I told this player to F off before leaving myself. This resulted me me being contacted by GMs and could of been the end of my account. It's not fair that I could lose my account all thanks to a lack of context. I understand my words said was not the right ones at the time but like I said, I'm really emotional and I end up speaking with out thinking most of the time so now I'm kinda forced off of my main in fear of for ever losing it due to my mental health. Please take a look at the banning times and rework it so that you will not lose your account unless it is a serious rule break like the ones I listed above. Here is another Idea that would give me some peace at mind. Have it so that after x amount of time without being reported you could take bans off your record. For example say I'm on my last warning but I've been good for a couple of months with no problems, my account would be reset back to as if I've not been reported before so that next time if I did get reported it would be a 1 day ban and not account deletion. I've learn to be nice and report people who are being toxic now but before I wasn't well informed on all of the rules that I broke. Please change something for people like me who got upset over someone saying/doing something to upset me and make me say things I should not of.
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    Taryn Holigard
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    How many slaps on the hand do you think you deserve, before you feel you can control your impulses?
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    I used to be an adventurer, but then my ping increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
    How many slaps on the hand do you think you deserve, before you feel you can control your impulses?
    How can you control something you have no control over? That's like asking a man with turrets syndrome to stop acting weird. It's mental heath and you have no way of controlling that. Addicts have impulses so why can't they stop? It wouldn't be called an impulse if you could just stop and control your actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change View Post
    How can you control something you have no control over? That's like asking a man with turrets syndrome to stop acting weird.
    You’re comparing apples to oranges here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change View Post
    It's mental heath and you have no way of controlling that.
    Yes, you do have a way of controlling it. For some it’s harder and takes more time and effort than others, but you can absolutely control your mind when you receive proper treatment for your condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change View Post
    Addicts have impulses so why can't they stop? It wouldn't be called an impulse if you could just stop and control your actions.
    Addicts also have a myriad of programs designed specifically to help them control their impulses. Some fail, but plenty of others succeed.

    Don’t make excuses for your actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change View Post
    How can you control something you have no control over? Addicts have impulses so why can't they stop? It wouldn't be called an impulse if you could just stop and control your actions.
    Medication helps; as well as learning methods to control your impulses. People with Tourette's have been able to control it. If people start to bother you, program yourself to turn your keyboard off as a first course of action. Learn to walk away. Learn that some people will just be morons, and no amount of words will change that. Pretend you already won the argument and you don't need to say anything. Find a way (or treatment) that works for you.

    Judging from your original post, you are scared of losing something. Use that. It's something to fight for, and be a better person for. Take some time away from the game to deal with your issues. Or simply face the reality that the internet/social games may not be for you. People can live and have lived without both.

    You ask why addicts can't stop? Some do. They seek help, and deal with their issues. The ones that don't prefer to be a victim to circumstances their entire lives.

    You must have said some pretty nasty things to get banned. They don't just ban someone for calling another person stupid. Half of the people who play would be gone by now. I imagine you used more... colorful words in your approach to dealing with others. There are ways to deal with disagreements without getting nasty.

    It also sounds to me that no matter what the context, or how many warnings you receive, you will continue your behavior. You cannot stop it, according to your own words. Hence my question. How many slaps on the hand do you think you deserve, before you feel you can control your impulses? Can you ever stop? Would you even be able to produce your so-called "good behavior" for 1-3 months? Should the rules constantly be changed to accommodate you? What about someone that is worse off than you? What if someone had an addiction/disorder where they couldn't stop cheating? Should they get special treatment? How many warnings should a person get if they cannot change? Would it even make a difference?
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    I used to be an adventurer, but then my ping increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change View Post
    How can you control something you have no control over? That's like asking a man with turrets syndrome to stop acting weird. It's mental heath and you have no way of controlling that. Addicts have impulses so why can't they stop? It wouldn't be called an impulse if you could just stop and control your actions.
    So your saying you'd murder someone on impulse expecting to be forgiven, because "you couldnt control your emotions"?
    Thats essentially what you are saying here.

    I'm sorry but I kind of have no remorse here. If you have that many strikes against you, maybe you shouldnt play MMO's where you are put into positions where you cant control yourself. Or seek help for your mental health problems instead of expecting others to walk on egg-shells for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    So your saying you'd murder someone on impulse expecting to be forgiven, because "you couldnt control your emotions"?
    Thats essentially what you are saying here.
    Well that escalated quickly.
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    Just my unwanted 2 cents

    ok im going to do something I never do and that is make a statement here. @hope_for_change.
    I don't believe you have a mental disability, in fact im a bit perturbed that you are claiming to have one to justify your actions over the past 3 if not more years.

    I personally do have a mental disability that makes me socially weird, thus I do not pick up on peoples responses to thing. I over my life time adapted and learned to deal with this and what I need to look for, I mess up some times and it leads to drama but I own it when I make those mistakes and work to correct them. this is because my mother raised me with the sentiment my actions are my own and no one is responsible for them but my self.

    now I don't think these ppl that you claim are toxic are not toxic I believe whole heartedly you are the toxic one, the reasoning for this is how you make comparisons to unlike things and try and link them like they are the same. you jump to extremes and your most extreme evil is a racist or sexist, this is the first thing you pull at to compare how your being compared to evil people. the more I have read over your text and this chat the more I get the feeling that you are a SJW. an those toxic people were just people who did not agree with you that you lashed out at and attacked. but seeing as you have no logs and you did not say what disability you had just used it as a excuse as to why we are all bad and rules need to be changed to accommodate you.

    personally i have never encountered any one truly toxic on this game, this game as log as I have played it, the game (I lost the game) has one of the best community's of any mmo I have ever played, helpful, fun, respectful players, so on. yet here you are saying people are attacking you and your friends, well if your a bad healer or tank or both then players will say it an try and help you get good. that is not insulting that is being helpful. part of me thinks you see any form of critique as being attacked and that's why those players are toxic.the fact of the matter is this the rules are the rules like the law is the law, you sighed the tos you payed 15$ a month for a game you clearly never read the TOS for.

    what did you hope to accomplish here? that the entire forum would rally to your cause and agree with you, in the real world people do not do that they obey the rules for things they enjoy and invest in, the do not act like children and make mutable accounts to push issues, that they them self's created. I hate to be the one to have to say this however you need to grow up take a long look at your self and think. "should I really say these things, should I really act like this, does my actions here reflect who I am as a person negatively.

    in conclusion @hope_for_change. grow up, welcome to the real world, follow the rules everyone else has to or expect to have consequences for your actions.
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    Last edited by kori978; 12-20-2018 at 03:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
    How many slaps on the hand do you think you deserve, before you feel you can control your impulses?
    Not everyone is as quick as you are. But yes, punish the slower and the less intelligent. Kick us when we're done and looking for salvation.
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