Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Driskus]

I'm in the same group as a lot of the people here, there really needs to be minimum ilvl for all leveling dungeons. Although, Castrum Abania is totally doable with 270 on the left side as long as they know what they're doing. I've had quite a few tanks with it, some with a few pieces even lower. They're undoubtedly going to have issues holding mobs if the DPS or healer are good (I usually end up pulling off them very quickly as WHM, even after popping lucid right as I start pulling mobs), but it doesn't make the whole dungeon impossible if the tank is in Augmented Shire gear. If someone pulls off them I just toss a shield and regen up and start going ham on whatever mob they pulled.

I'd say 270 should probably be the minimum for Castrum. Is the place clearable with a tank in less than 270 gear? Absolutely. Its still not a good idea regardless, as the tank likely won't be able to hold mobs if the DPS or healer are even semi-competent. Heck, Bardam's is clearable with a PLD in mid-50s gear (I had to deal with one once) for the record. I doubt Castrum would need much more than that. I'd still say if they're in less than a 270 average left side they're practically asking to be called out on it.

[Ilan]

I currently have an iLevel of 250 at level 63. Should I be worried about being adequate for DPS in this level 67 dungeon when it comes up in the MSQ?

You should try to get all parts possible out of the dungeons when you are leveling, or keep and use the gear that you get in the quests. The most important stuff for dps is always: weapon, chest, pants, rest of the left side and the right side is the least important to upgrade.

[Rosenstrauch]

I'd say 270 should probably be the minimum for Castrum.

I'd go a little further and say it should be i278, ten item levels below the gear Castrum drops. This would require either a full set of level 66 crafted gear, or running Doma Castle enough times to have most of the level 67 Dungeon gear. Both sets represent a substantial increase in vitality and defense when compared to i270 gear.

[Fynlar]

Seriously guys, stop doing the whole "the game lets you queue naked so clearly SE thinks it's ok" thing. Nobody is advocating that.

"that takes time to do"

THEN DO NOT PLAY this game if you can't put time in it, end of story.

Yeah, no thanks. If content is perfectly reasonable to run at a given level, I'm not going to bust my butt to wait to be at maximum possible level for it just because you think I should.

If you can't be give your party a decent amount of respect by being geared to an acceptable level,

i270 is an acceptable level for everything up until level 70 content. That's pretty much been my whole point here.

I currently have an iLevel of 250 at level 63. Should I be worried about being adequate for DPS in this level 67 dungeon when it comes up in the MSQ?

The people who can coast to the new level cap without having to worry that much about their gear are the ones who bothered to get to the previous maximum item level prior to starting the new expansion, which is 270 stuff. 250 is ok for where you're at now, but you will want to actually bother to upgrade as you go. 250 will start to be lacking by the 67/69 dungeons.

This is why I do not like you misinforming people. I really feel sorry for people you try to advice. This is flat out wrong and I believe MANY people stated all the problems with this statement long ago in this thread.

130 in Vault and Gubal (after nerfs) does not COMPARE AT ALL to 270 in Castrum Abania. 270 is gimp for Castrum Abania. I am not telling people they need i288 ilevel for it, but it needs be better then i270. I am not asking for the best possible gear, do not put words in my mouth.

I'm not talking about nerfs. I did those dungeons at i130 when they were still fresh. Still easy, just like this dungeon was in i270. And yes, the comparison is apt; many people in this thread tried to make it themselves.

This is why I don't like people overblowing how difficult 4 man dungeon content is.

And yes, if you want better than i270, you pretty much are asking for the best possible gear because there isn't that much room available for improvement.

[Nestama]

This is why I don't like people overblowing how difficult 4 man dungeon content is.

All I recall what has been said is it just makes things obnoxious for everyone involved if the tank is in i270 gear, as they now have to adapt to one person who may or may not know how to play the Job at your skill level (you've claimed it can be done, but that's just you and whoever else says they've done it. I gave my experience and you said that's because the tank was bad. No duh they were bad, however they would have stood a better chance at surviving and preventing a wipe to trash mobs if they were appropriately geared).

Key word is obnoxious. No one is saying the dungeons are difficult, we're saying doing so makes it obnoxious for everyone involved; especially if the healer isn't prepared for a squishy tank who may or may not know how to play the role as well as you.

[Hamada]

Seriously guys, stop doing the whole "the game lets you queue naked so clearly SE thinks it's ok" thing. Nobody is advocating that.

But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

i270 is an acceptable level for everything up until level 70 content. That's pretty much been my whole point here.

Your whole point is wrong

I think that all needs to be said, I am sure people understand not to listen to you like this:

The people who can coast to the new level cap without having to worry that much about their gear are the ones who bothered to get to the previous maximum item level prior to starting the new expansion, which is 270 stuff. 250 is ok for where you're at now, but you will want to actually bother to upgrade as you go. 250 will start to be lacking by the 67/69 dungeons.

Stop giving people bad/ wrong advice. I detailed the issues with that ilevel. If i250 is being padded on the right, meaning the higher level gear is on the right with even lower on the left, that is plan unacceptable and should be higher.

[KaivaC]

i270 is an acceptable level for everything up until level 70 content. That's pretty much been my whole point here.

The people who can coast to the new level cap without having to worry that much about their gear are the ones who bothered to get to the previous maximum item level prior to starting the new expansion, which is 270 stuff. 250 is ok for where you're at now, but you will want to actually bother to upgrade as you go. 250 will start to be lacking by the 67/69 dungeons.

The funny thing is...I experienced what it was like to be a tank geared at 282, dealing with someone who was lacking. A healer in 360-380 gear for everything (so of course it was synced down) - except for their weapon, which was a 260 relic weapon, in Doma Castle. I had to go above and beyond to assist the healer in keeping me alive, simply because a 260 weapon for a healer (a WHM at that) does not cut it in a level 67 dungeon unless you know what you are doing. That was just a weapon for a healer. So for you to say that 250 is fine is flat out terrible advice to be giving anybody. 250 started to be lacking in Shisui, and players definitely feel it when you go into Bardam's.

Stop assuming that just because you can do it, everybody else is capable of doing it as well. Not everybody is capable of doing that. The average DF base - especially while a huge chunk of skilled players are unsubbed due to no need for raiding - is terrible. So no, 250 gear in Doma Castle as you told that other poster is bad. There's no other way to say it - it is really bad.

[Kuroka]

Stop assuming that just because you can do it, everybody else is capable of doing it as well. Not everybody is capable of doing that. The average DF base - especially while a huge chunk of skilled players are unsubbed due to no need for raiding - is terrible.

This a 1000 times over...

[BiffWellington]

250 started to be lacking in Shisui, and players definitely feel it when you go into Bardam's.

So no, 250 gear in Doma Castle as you told that other poster is bad. There's no other way to say it - it is really bad.

To be fair, he said 250 is okay for where I am now, not for Castrum Abania. So far, in Stormblood I've only really done a recruiting questline for Meffrid (about to start M'naago's) and gotten caught up on my job quests.

I was a little concerned about the chances of getting above the 272 we're talking about here by the time I reach that dungeon; that kind of an increase makes me wonder if I might need to go out of my way for some upgrades, which would seem a little odd for a dungeon that's part of the main-story leveling content.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, here; just trying to be informed about what I can expect in the near future.

[SturmChurro]

To be fair, he said 250 is okay for where I am now, not for Castrum Abania. So far, in Stormblood I've only really done a recruiting questline for Meffrid (about to start M'naago's) and gotten caught up on my job quests.

I was a little concerned about the chances of getting above the 272 we're talking about here by the time I reach that dungeon; that kind of an increase makes me wonder if I might need to go out of my way for some upgrades, which would seem a little odd for a dungeon that's part of the main-story leveling content.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, here; just trying to be informed about what I can expect in the near future.

When SB came out, I would just run the previous/most current dungeon several times, and gather the gear for there, and that was always good enough to advance, and upgrade as I get better gear.