Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Hamada]

There is likely a prospective conflict with this, as this is the internet and we all love to blame others what goes wrong. For if 272 ilevel is bad for this dungeon, for the most part, yes it is, but I would need to see your specific gear layout to comment, because having higher ilevel on the left is a big difference then having it on the right side.

For the "I am a veteran of this game and i know how to play and whats fair and whats not " Well.... I see this a lot.. by people who could learn more about the game so I am not so sure about that. I would think a person that knows what is truly fair would prepare for this dungeon better. You have to understand people habit and the thing is healing in this game is "easy" and not much to do, so when you have a healer with such a mind set, more so with a healer thinking they know everything and can apply the same rule set to these dungeons would only be asking for trouble. They could have the exact mindset as you, feeling they shouldn't have to heal as much as they needed for you. Same applies to the 2 dps freeing the healer thing. A solo, DPS that knows rotations that has fitting gear would cut though it fast, and if one is near it while the other is far (and melee) would kill it before the other has the ability to reach it physically. Most of the time 2 dps can move to the other's hand and kill them fast so they can move to the middle one in a speedy manner. Some people have issues adjusting on the fly when something does not fit what is expected, again humans tend to fall in a habit, and skill in this game comes from knowing how to adjust, and in the average dungeon run, it is not going to be commonly seen.

Also being captured on the final boss during those hand phase things means it is being done wrong to begin with so =/

Basically everyone had a fault for this situation and they wanted to shift the blame on you more then it should have, something that is common on the internet in general so =/ typical average DF experience? We got a mega thread for such things here. End of the day you should be geared better, they should done mechanics better, everyone has a fault here, and they just wanted blame shift more on you, all it is.

[Lorgana]

Duty finder parties are like having kids after you're 35, you choose to roll the dice and sometimes the result might get you down

[JBee]

.... We plowed our way to the final boss .... The dps were not killing the hand adds .... The healer kept getting hit by almost every aoe i saw .... getting hit a bit hard .... noticed our healer started prioritizing dpsing over healing, i was at low health for the majority of the fight, and not because i was getting hit alot or hard, but because the healer would just keep dpsing instead of bringing my hp back up .... they started saying how easy i melted, and in a way they kinda admitted it themselves when they said "it was easier keeping our dps going" ....

I mean, they got through the dungeon just fine up until the last boss, and the issues started when the dps and healer failed to properly execute mechanics. If the tank is taking that much damage, I would guess the healer was trying to and having a harder time because of the increased damage being taken. But then they said it was easier to keep dpsing instead of bothering to heal the tank.

From this perspective... Sounds more to me like the Healer was frustrated with the tank for being squishier than they were used to, and was trying to just hurry up and get through the last boss asap to get out of there, and in their rushing, tilted - started missing aoes, not healing, and dropped the ball. It would be different if they were doing nothing but spamming their heals, or at least only minimally dps'ing, and you still died. If that were what happened, then absolutely your gear was the issue.

But they said from the very start of the dungeon your gear was low and then they still did that.... No, sorry, they should have been more focused on healing than dps'ing, or if they didn't want to deal with that, they should have left before you even got to that point. They knew full well from a dungeon's worth of fights what they were in for on the last boss. Even with good gear, you still need a healer who will actually heal you. I hate placing blame on a healer "not healing hard enough" cause it's so rare that that is really what is going on, but based on this account...

All that said, I know I leveled several of my alt dps jobs in HoH in 61+ content because I knew I would not be investing a lot of gil into gearing them until they hit 70, if at all. I specifically chose to level in HoH because my lack of gear would not be an issue and I would not be a burden on my party. I instead stayed to the 50/60 and MSQ Roulettes, with an occasional Leveling and Trials thrown in, when not just staying with HoH.

[Jojoya]

Seems to me like everyone is overlooking the obvious answer.

The good player does not show up for a dungeon undergeared, especially not a leveling dungeon, unless they are in a group of like-minded players who are also good and who have specifically agreed to run it undergeared.

The good player understands that not every player is equally skilled or pays attention to their gear as they should. The good player therefore keeps their gear up to date to help offset what deficiencies the group might have. The good tank keeps their gear up to date because they will take less damage in the long run, which helps if things are dying slowly or the healer is struggling. The good DPS keeps their gear up to date so things die faster, which means the tank takes less damage and the healer is less likely to be overburdened. The good healer keeps their gear up to date so they can keep everyone alive if things are dying slowly or the tank isn't using their CDs properly not to mention being able to weave in some damage to kill things that much faster.

The good player comes prepared to the best of their ability at all times. It is not hard to keep leveling gear up to date even on an alt job long after you completed the MSQ on your main job with the abundance of gear vendors placed in the game specifically so you can keep your gear up to date.

If you're going to argue that it's okay for you to be undergeared when queuing to run with a random group of players and everything will be fine, you are not a good player.

[Fynlar]

And you have several people telling you their experiences shown 270 gear is insufficient. Several experiences from several people > several experiences from one individual.

And I'm saying that because my experiences have shown it was sufficient, their problem wasn't actually their gear.

I find it funny that people cite not wanting to spend money on gear-which is fine, btw-but conveniently forget they can just re-run SB dgn to get gear. Or is that also too much to do?

Yes, it was for me. That's kind of the whole point of coasting through the dungeons and just doing them once each to clear MSQ (for the first job). Obviously without MSQ, other jobs would take more dungeons/roulettes to run to level up. No "convenient forgetfulness" has occurred here. I am well aware of what I was giving up; the point was that I did it because it never felt necessary to waste my time spamming lower level dungeons for this gear when I would level faster (+get the MSQ done faster, the first time around) by just moving on.

Also, it's great and all that people feel like it ain't worth it to upgrade anything and keep going with i270 gear from 61-70.

You know what else would be great? If those same people could avoid stepping into SB dgns, particularly bardam and beyond, and make other people who did bother to keep up work twice as normal to carry those people.

Except it's not a matter of working "twice as hard", not anywhere close. You're overblowing the issue.

You are still avoiding one simple question, do you agree that if you had upgraded your gear the dungeon would have been easier?

Obviously it would be. But I'm saying it would be by an insignificant amount. Nowhere near the "making your party work twice as hard" crap that some people here are insinuating, and nowhere near the point where the dungeon becomes "wrong" for you to do, which is what the OP is asking.

Players who have no interest in doing basic maintenance on their gear should do themselves and everyone else a favour by lvling in POTD and HoH.

While again, HoH wasn't even available for me before I finished getting everything to 70, I feel that coming in to SB dungeons with i270 is more than enough to get you all the way to 70 with no constant "maintenance" required. That's been my entire point.

It's the people that hadn't bothered to get themselves a full set of i270 before doing SB that need to worry about the maintenance.

The healer kept getting hit by almost every aoe i saw .... getting hit a bit hard .... noticed our healer started prioritizing dpsing over healing, i was at low health for the majority of the fight, and not because i was getting hit alot or hard, but because the healer would just keep dpsing instead of bringing my hp back up .... they started saying how easy i melted, and in a way they kinda admitted it themselves when they said "it was easier keeping our dps going" ....

FYI for everyone in the thread, this sort of thing is far, far, FAR more likely to be what causes problems in Abania than your tank being in i270.

[Awha]

Obviously it would be. But I'm saying it would be by an insignificant amount. Nowhere near the "making your party work twice as hard" crap that some people here are insinuating, and nowhere near the point where the dungeon becomes "wrong" for you to do, which is what the OP is asking.

Why does that matter though? Shouldn't we as players respect our fellow players and come prepared far as is possible and practicable. If you agree that it would make the run objectively easier even if by an insignificant amount if the effort to reach that baseline is far less then doing a job quest for an ability why not do it? Maybe I am just naive and you are in the right and treating people with respect does not matter since end of the day it gets done and that in itself is respect enough.

[Fynlar]

Why does that matter though? Shouldn't we as players respect our fellow players and come prepared far as is possible and practicable. If you agree that it would make the run objectively easier even if by an insignificant amount if the effort to reach that baseline is far less then doing a job quest for an ability why not do it? Maybe I am just naive and you are in the right and treating people with respect does not matter since end of the day it gets done and that in itself is respect enough.

When you were running your level 20ish dungeons for the first time with vendor/crafted gear back in the day (so like, before Hall of the Novice), did you make sure it was fully pentamelded with the best tier 1-2 materia possible?

If not, then you're just a hypocrite and weren't giving your best to your parties either.

[Elamys]

When you were running your level 20ish dungeons for the first time with vendor/crafted gear back in the day (so like, before Hall of the Novice), did you make sure it was fully pentamelded with the best tier 1-2 materia possible?

If not, then you're just a hypocrite and weren't giving your best to your parties either.

Okay, so while I generally agree there's no need to be rude to people who are undergeared, especially when capable of clearing the content, nobody in this thread is asking for top of the line penta melded gear. I say this as someone who has leveled most of their alts and by the time of reaching abania still had a pretty big chunk of augmented shire. It's not hard even if you're leveling pretty much entirely through roulettes (like I did) to snag at least a few upgrades.

[Emstidor]

When you were running your level 20ish dungeons for the first time with vendor/crafted gear back in the day (so like, before Hall of the Novice), did you make sure it was fully pentamelded with the best tier 1-2 materia possible?

If not, then you're just a hypocrite and weren't giving your best to your parties either.

Nice false equivalence, but I don’t think those two are remotely comparable.

[Awha]

When you were running your level 20ish dungeons for the first time with vendor/crafted gear back in the day (so like, before Hall of the Novice), did you make sure it was fully pentamelded with the best tier 1-2 materia possible?

If not, then you're just a hypocrite and weren't giving your best to your parties either.

That is why I said practicable, let us keep things within a realistic scope. Walking to an NPC and spending some gil to buy gear is a fair baseline. If you want to go above and beyond that is awesome, but most here are talking about establishing a fair baseline. Even by my standards your example is reaching.

Once again remember I personally never said that I expect perfect play or BiS gear, but I do think it is reasonable to expect a player to come prepared far as it is possible and practicable. This is does not mean perfection.