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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    It's more the fact that 90% of the time these "witty" macros are used by awful healers.
    Macros are not suited for combat. So you find the people who've learned this and don't use a raise macro to generally be at least a notch above average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Macros are not suited for combat. So you find the people who've learned this and don't use a raise macro to generally be at least a notch above average.
    Pretty much, I learned this the hard way back in ARR.
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    As a controller player, I couldnt function without a raise macro.
    Swiftcast only exist for raising for healers, so it makes no sense to split that function into two button presses.

    Macros are certainly inefficient for attacks as they can screw up your rotation, DPS should never use them, but they're essential for healing and I've yet to have a problem with a raise macro.
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    Theres also the chance that you wont hit swiftcast and start hardcasting the raise, or it wont take effect before you hit raise, forcing you to hit it again. A macro eliminates this possibility.

    You should also alert other healers that you're raising and who you're raising so they dont waste their own swiftcast.

    I can't imagine a good healer not using a raise macro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Theres also the chance that you wont hit swiftcast and start hardcasting the raise, or it wont take effect before you hit raise, forcing you to hit it again. A macro eliminates this possibility.

    You should also alert other healers that you're raising and who you're raising so they dont waste their own swiftcast.

    I can't imagine a good healer not using a raise macro.
    I've had Swiftcast either go off without a Raise happening, or not going off at all which results in a hardcast. There were also some cases where Swiftcast goes off, but I still end up hardcasting.

    Might be a latency thing, but in general, macros not having spell queuing is no bueno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    You should also alert other healers that you're raising and who you're raising so they dont waste their own swiftcast.

    I can't imagine a good healer not using a raise macro.
    On the contrary, a good and experienced healer will be aware that a player has been raised before using Swiftcast. Add another good healer to the mix and it makes even less sense for them to be using raise macros.

    A healer who gets players up quickly might be considered a good healer who is paying attention. However, if they do it reflexively it is still indicative of inexperience, and/or not completely trusting the other members of their group. There are several audio as well as visual aids to let you know that a player is being/has been raised. And they come from sources that healers should be paying attention to anyway.

    IOW, if you want to be an optimal healer in a less than optimal situation, you can't rely on a PUG healer to use macros nor should they rely on you to use them. You need to rely on and be aware of what is actually going on in the field of battle. That is how you truly won't waste your SCs.
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    I find using a rez macro quite efficient, esp in circumstances where you are dodging multiple mechanics. Just because a healer uses a rez macro does not mean they are not a good or inefficient healer, that's just out of butt talk right there. There are plenty of times I was able to get ppl up in the middle of back to back dodges where hitting 1 button was much more suited than 2, esp when there are multiple ppl down so your other healer knows who not to pop their swiftcast on. When 5 ppl are down in different parts of the arena and you get 1 swiftcast its a waste for both healers to use it on the same person since by the time you see the other healers raise go off, thanks to their own swiftcast, you may have spent yours needlessly. No matter how aware you are, its can make a difference between a wipe or saving the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    As a controller player, I couldnt function without a raise macro.
    I'm on mouse + kb due to my controller breaking a few days ago, but I healed just fine without ever using a raise macro.

    Swiftcast only exist for raising for healers[/B], so it makes no sense to split that function into two button presses.
    Not true. It certainly has the highest priority for use on Raise, but to say rez is SC's only use is not right.

    Theres also the chance that you wont hit swiftcast and start hardcasting the raise, or it wont take effect before you hit raise, forcing you to hit it again. A macro eliminates this possibility.
    That didn't happen to me. If anything the inability to queue inputs would cause issues.

    You should also alert other healers that you're raising and who you're raising so they dont waste their own swiftcast.
    There's a status that appears on the party member in the party list. I'm not gonna clog up the chatlog or make dumb "hilarious" macros because the other healers/casters can't use their eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    I find using a rez macro quite efficient, esp in circumstances where you are dodging multiple mechanics. Just because a healer uses a rez macro does not mean they are not a good or inefficient healer, that's just out of butt talk right there.
    I'm just implying that good healers generally don't use rez macros because people don't die all the time when they're healing.

    There are plenty of times I was able to get ppl up in the middle of back to back dodges where hitting 1 button was much more suited than 2, esp when there are multiple ppl down so your other healer knows who not to pop their swiftcast on. When 5 ppl are down in different parts of the arena and you get 1 swiftcast its a waste for both healers to use it on the same person since by the time you see the other healers raise go off, thanks to their own swiftcast, you may have spent yours needlessly. No matter how aware you are, its can make a difference between a wipe or saving the day.
    Again, that's on the other healers or casters for not using their eyes and seeing which people haven't already been rezzed.

    And while dodging mechanics it's hard to press 2 buttons? SC lasts for 10s, you don't need to cast Raise immediately (just within those 10s), and you can pop both SC and the rez a few seconds later while at full mobility, or still do OGCDs and instacasts without consuming the SC. I don't see the benefit of tying them together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    That didn't happen to me. If anything the inability to queue inputs would cause issues.
    No, you put in a 1s wait between SC and raise and it never fails.
    The inability to queue a macro doesnt effect the macro itself, just if/when it begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    There's a status that appears on the party member in the party list. I'm not gonna clog up the chatlog or make dumb "hilarious" macros because the other healers/casters can't use their eyes.
    That status only appears after the target has accepted the raise, it can be too late then.
    You time the notification with the SC, so the other healer knows the exact moment you use your SC, which makes you much less prone to double raising unless you both hit it at exactly the same moment.
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    "SC lasts for 10s, you don't need to cast Raise*immediately(just within those 10s), and you can pop both SC and the rez a few seconds later while at full mobility, or still do OGCDs and instacasts without consuming the SC. I don't see the benefit of tying them together."

    I dont see the benefit of not tying them together, and if you're using SC multiple seconds before you attempt the raise itself, you're begging for it to be wasted by the other healer getting there first.
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