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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post

    is a blanket statement that are made by the more hardheaded who think their way is the only way and don't think things thru.

    Rotational macros are not suited for combat, no, you never want to put your rotations in macros.
    Ok, fine. But no "rational" macro puts two abilities together. This doesn't apply to just weaponskills. Anytime you macro two abilities together, you take the chance of one of those abilities not being executed optimally, and in the worse case it doesn't go off at all. Skills can be queued, and putting a second ability in the same macro takes away the ability to do so with it.

    This is not to say that macros can't be used at all. In fact, they can be quite useful but I have yet to find any useful macros for any of the three healers. A macro should be used in order to facilitate the function of a certain ability. Let me give you an example:

    I want to be able to weave in Shadewalker during my opener on my NIN. Since I am on controller, it is impossible to do this if I have to manually select the tank from the party list. I will clip my next gcd big time. So I put together this little macro

    /micon "Shadewalker"
    /ac "Shadewalker" <f>
    /ac "Shadewalker" <tt>
    /ac "Shadewalker" <t>

    Now I can weave it in as easily as any other ability on my crossbar because the macro is designed to put SW on my focused target which will always be the main tank, and in a case where I do not have a focus target it will apply it to the target of my target, which will be whoever has maximum agro. Finally, if one of the tanks does not have agro and should, I can manually select him/her and use it.

    So it is a multiple line macro, but it is one ability, that serves one function, and I never intend to use it any other way. Combining SC+Rezz is asking for trouble. You just haven't been burned by it yet. Don't worry, keep using it and it'll happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    That status only appears after the target has accepted the raise, it can be too late then.
    No it doesn't lol. It's a 60s buff in which the dead person can either accept or decline the raise. If the other raisers can't see it, then it's not my problem.

    You time the notification with the SC, so the other healer knows the exact moment you use your SC, which makes you much less prone to double raising unless you both hit it at exactly the same moment.
    I give it 5-10s. If someone's not getting the dead person up, then I will. If someone decides to drop a rez after I've used mine, tough shit.


    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Did I say hard? no. I said its more efficient and suited to the situation, you are putting words in my mouth to prove your point, which is flawed anyway.
    And my point is that's it is not inefficient at all and I see zero benefit in tying 2 skills together like that.


    Is also just a bad attempt at trolling and saying everyone else is a bad healer cause that dps over their died. Because this game has 0 instakill moves and dps make sure to dodge each and every aoe that will surely kill them. Esp when they are in quick succession. Nice try, little lala, but still a failed attempt.
    It's not trolling at all. And while you can't heal stupidity, you can certainly mitigate it by being good at your job. So no.

    You can have both a swiftcast macro and the buttons just on your bar, which is what I do because they are situational. Regardless though, its nice to at least tie a "raising <t>" to your raise if nothing else for those moments when there is a lot going on and the party runs separate ways. It may not be on you but it sure as hell makes your life easier. You can still watch the arena if you want, but in a pinch its great.
    It doesn't make my life easier. It makes your life easier.

    I've never needed anything like that.


    /ac Esuna <t>
    /pet Embrace <t>

    For a small heal on w/e needed an esuna, explained this earlier and its worth it 99.9% of the time
    That heal is pointless 99.99% of the time.

    And all dps spells looks like...

    /ac "Stone II" <t>
    /ac "Stone II" <tt>

    Right there are some pretty nifty healer macros that will make your life tons easier.
    You're losing the ability to queue the spells, thus losing out on dps with macros like that.


    I have also been playing since v1,
    TimePlayed != PlayerSkill



    Just because you intentionally make your life harder does not mean you are doing it better. In fact I would say its usually quite the opposite.
    It's not harder at all.
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    Last edited by Tlachtga; 12-17-2018 at 10:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    is a blanket statement that are made by the more hardheaded who think their way is the only way and don't think things thru.

    Rotational macros are not suited for combat, no, you never want to put your rotations in macros.

    But adding a swiftcast to a raise for certain moments, adding a macro for something like shadow flare that will target a mob or allow you to place it anywhere depending on whether or not you have a mob targeted makes it much more versatile, adding a line of <tt> as well as <t> to your dps spells makes dpsing easier to get in a dps spell when you gotta keep a closer eye on your tank or text macros that alert other pt members to your actions so things may be timed easier or you know when a stun is used are great macros to have. Heck macroing my fairy to heal whoever I just esuna'd I found to be incredibly helpful in 99% of the cases as then I don't need to cure spam so much to keep someone up from a dot I could easily esuna off. Even if its "their fault" for not being well enough geared or w/e, still makes my life easier, so yay.

    Just because you intentionally make your life harder does not mean you are doing it better. In fact I would say its usually quite the opposite.
    None of your examples can use the skill queue.
    I've learned my lesson back when I used a provoke macro in 2.0. I'm good with manually executing swiftcast and raise. It's more reliable than a macro will be.

    Macros are great for crafting and fishing.
    Maybe some chat fun times.
    But I'm still going to advocate against using it in combat at all if you are willing to learn otherwise. I've died enough times to "Oh my bene didn't go off" or "I was mashing the button like crazy!" to know that nothing has changed.
    It is a blanket statement, but it's one used after experience and education on it. Not just some airheaded parroting of what's the popular thing to say. I am not making my life harder, if anything it's never been easier since ditching macros in combat.

    If you want to use your macros, go ahead I can't stop you.
    I can only warn people of their intentional limitations placed there by the developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Macros are not suited for combat. So you find the people who've learned this and don't use a raise macro to generally be at least a notch above average.
    Typically I would agree, but in this case we're talking about macros that are basically still just the one action, but with an announcement that quite frankly can help prevent other issues.

    Example: a resurrection macro in content with multiple healers saves another healer from burning their own time and/or swiftcast to rez the same person (and I've lost count of how many times before using macros myself I'd go to rez somebody, pop my swiftcast, and then another healer rezzes the person with no announcement whatsoever...boom, wasted swiftcast, 1min CD).

    Example 2: the DRK ability Living Dead saves them from a fatal blow, but they need to be healed to 100% afterwards or they still die. That's useful information, because otherwise I'd probably assume a tank at 90% is in good condition and might not heal them that last 10%...then they go splat.

    Example 3: if you're doing PUG content and use a healer LB3, a macro could potentially alert an otherwise inattentive DPS that they are now alive and can do stuff so they don't just stand in bad and die again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galbsadi View Post
    Example: a resurrection macro in content with multiple healers saves another healer from burning their own time and/or swiftcast to rez the same person (and I've lost count of how many times before using macros myself I'd go to rez somebody, pop my swiftcast, and then another healer rezzes the person with no announcement whatsoever...boom, wasted swiftcast, 1min CD).
    A rezz announcement from a healer is training wheels for the other lesser experienced healer. In such a situation I guess it's OK, but healers need to eventually rely on monitoring the status bars, and identifying the icons as they pertain to them. A wasted swiftcast is no one's fault except the player that wasted it. Take accountability.

    Example 2: the DRK ability Living Dead saves them from a fatal blow, but they need to be healed to 100% afterwards or they still die. That's useful information, because otherwise I'd probably assume a tank at 90% is in good condition and might not heal them that last 10%...then they go splat.
    What matters is the DRK is returned 100% of his Max HP. Not restored to full. No announcement from the DRK is needed because he's sitting at 1HP. This is WELL below even the tightest thresholds of the game's best healers. If the healer can't see to cure bomb the hell out if the DRK, it's on them that the DRK dies to LD.

    Example 3: if you're doing PUG content and use a healer LB3, a macro could potentially alert an otherwise inattentive DPS that they are now alive and can do stuff so they don't just stand in bad and die again.
    If anyone needs notification that a healer LB3 just went off, they should get their eyes and ears checked.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 12-18-2018 at 04:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haxaan View Post
    I may be one of the few people out there who don't rp in game but like to add "flavor text" to my macros. Doesn't have to be something funny or witty. Sometimes a little fantasy flavor is nice. I mean we are playing a fantasy role playing game, so why not. It always makes me laugh when people get so "offended" by chat log "clutter". I laugh especially hard when people complain about macros being "cringy". These people seriously must lead very boring lives. I imagine watching a movie must be very tedious for them lol.
    I am the same way. I don't RP and when ppl add text and esp sound effects to needless things annoying. Like when I enter a dungeon and get a wall of text for protect I groan and dislike the healer immediately. And if you have them for esuna, shields and everything else but cures, which I have seen more than once, you will get a vote dismiss since blisting you isn't an option. /echo its really not that hard /endrant

    But something like raise is great to have text with because idk how many times I wasted a swiftcast because the other healer just swift raises without a peep, when I could have used mine moments later to get someone else up.

    And since its a needed macro a lil flavor can be fun, esp if you keep it short, sweet and silent.
    Wall of text macros are never good and will be just flat out ignored and sounds are needless, it just tells me you are aiming to annoy.
    However if you get annoyed by something short, sweet and silent it may just be that stick you sit on while you play.

    Mine go...

    Ast "It seems your death was not in the cards. Ascend <t>!"
    Whm "It's a nice day for a white raising. Start again, <t>"
    Smn "Resurrecting <t>. You are my egi now.
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    In Savage, I have "raising <t>", especially in PUG where it gets annoying to handle two corpses.
    In dungeon / normal raids or Eureka, I use my Cher macro and most of the times, people make jokes about it and that's fine.

    I hate macro with sound though.
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    I don't really remember too many rez macros since I normally heal but mine has gotten a chuckle or two from a few folks. Mine is "time to wake up sleepy dead" which is a reference to vampire the masquerade.
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    As a controller player, I couldnt function without a raise macro.
    Swiftcast only exist for raising for healers, so it makes no sense to split that function into two button presses.

    Macros are certainly inefficient for attacks as they can screw up your rotation, DPS should never use them, but they're essential for healing and I've yet to have a problem with a raise macro.
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    Theres also the chance that you wont hit swiftcast and start hardcasting the raise, or it wont take effect before you hit raise, forcing you to hit it again. A macro eliminates this possibility.

    You should also alert other healers that you're raising and who you're raising so they dont waste their own swiftcast.

    I can't imagine a good healer not using a raise macro.
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