DPS Job Rankings & Stats

[HyperiusUltima]

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that someone mentioned here isn't written in stone, but it's more or less a moral that everyone has to follow when using Parsers.

We would've seen plenty of good people banned from FFXIV, especially streamers, if parsers were a bannable offense outright in the early days such as in Gordias where DPS checks were through the wazoo. The only thing that I think is right(which may not be seen as right by others) is that people should be free to use their parser, but need to not discriminate, harass, or deface others in doing so by gaining that information. As long as it's used for the right purposes(further improvement of yourself, the raid group, or simply for logs purposes) I don't think SE's going to super crackdown on it like some other games that I know have been cracking down on emulators.

[Neela]

Parsers are probably the only thing that make Savage and Ultimate runs possible....

are u serious?... what kind of statement is that? Our fc run Midas (with 2 smns & 2 drks btw) without any pc player so uhm no - parsers and meta-comp are definitely not needed to run savage successfully. Its helpful for those who want to optimize or those who need to put their big balls on the table - but telling someone its the only tool which make savage possible is just... lol?

[Zerathor]

are u serious?... what kind of statement is that? Our fc run Midas (with 2 smns & 2 drks btw) without any pc player so uhm no - parsers and meta-comp are definitely not needed to run savage successfully. Its helpful for those who want to optimize or those who need to put their big balls on the table - but telling someone its the only tool which make savage possible is just... lol?

Did you use any guides at any point? Because the people who made them used parsers to get that information for you faster on a fight.

Be it tank busters/raid wide damage values and type to know which cds work/are needed, or even if it's just better job rotations and stat prioritization for output.

[Sunako]

Did you use any guides at any point? Because the people who made them used parsers to get that information for you faster on a fight.

Be it tank busters/raid wide damage values and type to know which cds work/are needed, or even if it's just better job rotations and stat prioritization for output.

During first week parsers usually not even work, but still ppl manage figure out mechanics, clear content and make guides from it before parsers get fixed. You dont really need parser for clearing content, it is more like optimizing content.

[Neela]

What she said - u don’t need data to find out mechanics. We actually always start without guides even if we need much longer than others. But for us it’s about challenging ourselves instead copying worlds firsts - isn’t it what savage is all about? And therefor u don’t need unintended 3rd party-tools - simply try and error. So we do use parsers after we clear a tier yeah but we do not use it through progression. In the end all u need to know about savage is "aoe & tankbuster are bad" - and until a parser can tell u which direction is the best to avoid, your statement remains false to me.

U don’t need parsers for new ex primals, do u? Why should u.

[Zerathor]

What she said - u don’t need data to find out mechanics. We actually always start without guides even if we need much longer than others. But for us it’s about challenging ourselves instead copying worlds firsts - isn’t it what savage is all about? And therefor u don’t need unintended 3rd party-tools - simply try and error. So we do use parsers after we clear a tier yeah but we do not use it through progression. In the end all u need to know about savage is "aoe & tankbuster are bad" - and until a parser can tell u which direction is the best to avoid, your statement remains false to me.

U don’t need parsers for new ex primals, do u? Why should u.

More for damage optimization than anything else. You know those times you wiped to enrage at <1%? Or you were half a second from pushing a mechanic that would make it easier for the party? I view it as a personal failure, if it was possible for you to have been doing better enough to fix it. It's not only your time you wasted. It's 7 other people's time. I don't enjoy that feeling.

Sure, it's everyone's responsibility to do well, but it's harder to control their output than your own.

[MistakeNot]

More for damage optimization than anything else.

You do not need parsers for damage optimization. Sure, a parser can help for that, but it is not needed.

[Yeol]

Before raid tier starts, people have already figured out best openers and optimal rotations thanks to theory crafting and help of ACT (Parse). Even if ACT stops parsing during the first couple of days of raid, it doesn’t matter much because people have the information they need already.

Once parse is up again, people will use it to figure out few things that they had doubts about. Totally not needed because they have already cleaned content with minimum item level.

ACT is not only used for parsing, it can do much more than that. Just because parae is not working, it does not make ACT useless during the first couple days of raid.

[Neela]

More for damage optimization than anything else. You know those times you wiped to enrage at <1%? Or you were half a second from pushing a mechanic that would make it easier for the party? I view it as a personal failure, if it was possible for you to have been doing better enough to fix it. It's not only your time you wasted. It's 7 other people's time. I don't enjoy that feeling.

Sure, it's everyone's responsibility to do well, but it's harder to control their output than your own.

I view copying the worlds first like brain dead lemmings as a failure - and like I said I waste noones time cause my static think the same way: we do it our way. Cause the feeling if you (by yourself and your friends) figure out how to handle mechanics or clear a tier on your own is the best feeling in the world...and absolut worth it. A feeling you actually can't enjoy if you camp Mr.Happy & Co on youtube for the first week after patch until they wrote their guides – If you like to rely on world firsts guides and data to actually have any progress in savage at all - you are the one I pity pretty much... : /

Btw: doing better =/= copying someone who starts with try & error as well. -> Its more like you are just damn lazy, waiting for someone else to do the work - just to jump on given strategies to lecture people how they should play savage content? Its also funny to see, how the argument from "parsers ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED for savage" changed to "for optimizing purpose" - what I actually said in the very first post. So I guess you are out of arguments hm?...

nvm everybody should do it his/her way - if being brain dead is yours, enjoy it but don't claim it as "the only way to go" : o

[Zerathor]

I view copying the worlds first like brain dead lemmings as a failure - and like I said I waste noones time cause my static think the same way: we do it our way. Cause the feeling if you (by yourself and your friends) figure out how to handle mechanics or clear a tier on your own is the best feeling in the world...and absolut worth it. A feeling you actually can't enjoy if you camp Mr.Happy & Co on youtube for the first week after patch until they wrote their guides – If you like to rely on world firsts guides and data to actually have any progress in savage at all - you are the one I pity pretty much... : /

Btw: doing better =/= copying someone who starts with try & error as well. -> Its more like you are just damn lazy, waiting for someone else to do the work - just to jump on given strategies to lecture people how they should play savage content? Its also funny to see, how the argument from "parsers ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED for savage" changed to "for optimizing purpose" - what I actually said in the very first post. So I guess you are out of arguments hm?...

nvm everybody should do it his/her way - if being brain dead is yours, enjoy it but don't claim it as "the only way to go" : o

Thinly veiled insults only hold so much weight when there's no progress to back it up.

Everyone blind progs week one, and blind prog can be fun the whole patch if the entire group is up for it, the group has bountiful time in the week, and capable of doing it. Finding statics that want to keep going blind past week 3 are rather rare however.

Also, I don't think there's a single fight we didn't build our own unique strategy on aside from HW1 and HW2. So I'm not quite sure where you place your assumptions that playing your job the correct way is "brain dead".

But I suppose reading information isn't your strong suit considering the post you referred to was from a different poster, hmm?
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But nvm everybody should do it his/her way- if willingly playing wrong is what yours, enjoy it. But don't LARP that you're not using parses or at least reading your friends when you made an account to join your static on fflogs.
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