A question for the BLU peeps

[Melichoir]

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The take away here is the difference between opinion and fact. Something you were conflating on numerous occasions. You dont like it, say so overtly. Say exactly what you mean and what you want. Stop trying to talk about what BLU is then a few posts later say "I dont care, as long as its a caster I can play at max lvl, thats all thats important."

And in regards to your opinion, youre free to have it. You do you. If that means hating something that you havent even tried and limiting how much enjoyment you get out of the game, go for it. I think thats foolish, but if it makes you feel better to hate on content you dont like that isnt even out yet, by all means hate on it.

[Kallera]

The fact of the matter is the hype for BLU started to die even as Yoshida was presenting it in fanfest.


The job, as it was presented, raises some serious questions as to how much fun it is going to be, as it is kept out of shadowbringer's content, Heaven on high and palace of the dead, its levels wont be raised until later patches, months away from partying with your friends. and its main recourse is in recycled content, with no gaurantee that the masked carnival is going to be an acceptable or long lasting romp.


The real concern I have is that wether trying BLU will be all that is needed for the statistics to claim that there is nothing wrong with BLU. I honestly see its inability to partake in fresher content with friends to be a real dealbreaker.

[Tlachtga]

The take away here is the difference between opinion and fact. Something you were conflating on numerous occasions. You dont like it, say so overtly. Say exactly what you mean and what you want. Stop trying to talk about what BLU is then a few posts later say "I dont care, as long as its a caster I can play at max lvl, thats all thats important."

And in regards to your opinion, youre free to have it. You do you. If that means hating something that you havent even tried and limiting how much enjoyment you get out of the game, go for it. I think thats foolish, but if it makes you feel better to hate on content you dont like that isnt even out yet, by all means hate on it.

I did say I didn't like it lol. Very clearly. It was my first response to the topic. I wasn't conflating anything. If anything your posts come off as one who is presenting opinion as fact.

Why do you keep saying I was saying things as fact? I wasn't. If it looks that way, I guess that's a personal problem. Perhaps I should add "NB: content presented in post is poster's own opinion based on facts presented" to the end of all my posts? Would that help?

And it's not "foolish". The "content" simply will not be enjoyable to me. If something isn't fun, I don't do it. I find lvl50 content in this game is not enjoyable. This job will be forced to only do that content will not be enjoyable.

I don't need to play it to find out. Again, they were specific about what the job entails. It'll be capped at lvl50. It could have a vastly different playstyle that's amazing, but if I'm stuck doing dungeons/trials/raids I despise, it won't be enjoyable. Is that truly so hard to understand?

I also ignore pvp, eureka and gathering too. Is that also "foolish"?

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Added like this Im playing solo, it's what I do anyways, doing my things and log out for playing other games.
I think this update is a good idea for me.

[Fyce]

If I cannot play Blue Mage with my friends then the power is quite moot. I'd rather i'd be able to play it with others. I'd rather be able to do new content with it, instead of never being able to catch up.


It is not at all fair to tell people the class they wanted as main will be a year or more late to participating.

I'm pretty sure that the reason why they posted this screenshot was to show that you can actually play with your friends who also engage in this side content:



Leveling up and collecting skills will very likely be more efficient in group rather than being solo. So far, the only specific solo content related to Blue Mage that we are aware of is the Masked Carnivale. Skill collecting and leveling will be doable in groups and will arguably represent a big part of what Blue Mage has to offer.

But that requires one very important thing: being able to accept that Blue Mage is its own side content. If you are able to do that, then it's not much different from any other side content in the game.

[BubblyBoar]

This idea that BLU must use their enemy spells EXACTLY as enemies do is wrong and it needs to stop being repeated. Saying "Those were single player games and this is an MMO, so we can only base off FFXI." is also wrong. They are just straight up wrong arguments and using them over and over even after they have been rebutted over and over again in this topic just makes me want to ignore those stubborn people.


BLUs identity is not to be overpowered. It'll be balanced and still use enemy spells, just like it always has. Just stop with the nonsense.

[Awha]

Didn't Yoshi-P work on FFXI prior to FFXIV so in a way it makes sense for him to base his interpretation off that game. Also in the end the identity of the concept can go based off those that implemented said concept. Sure we can go against said identity but normally for that shift the content has to be released.

In the end to say the one who is implementing the concept has the wrong identity does seem a tad off since this is their interpretation. With it this late into the cycle I am sure no amount of complaints will change anything so at this point it is the waiting game.

[BubblyBoar]

Well, they said Mr. Atma was the one that came up with BLU and the whole limited job design. He also did Diadem and Eureka. So you know where BLU is going.

[Awha]

Well, they said Mr. Atma was the one that came up with BLU and the whole limited job design. He also did Diadem and Eureka. So you know where BLU is going.

Oh that is cool, I did not enjoy everything about Eureka, but I did enjoy certain elements of the later stages of Eureka like logograms.

[jon041065]

Didn't Yoshi-P work on FFXI prior to FFXIV so in a way it makes sense for him to base his interpretation off that game. Also in the end the identity of the concept can go based off those that implemented said concept. Sure we can go against said identity but normally for that shift the content has to be released.

In the end to say the one who is implementing the concept has the wrong identity does seem a tad off since this is their interpretation. With it this late into the cycle I am sure no amount of complaints will change anything so at this point it is the waiting game.

No, he became head of the FF online division like 3 years ago but didn't work on FFXI directly.

Their concept for smn was also not something a lot of players were happy with and they have changed it quite a bit in both expansions. Same with changing brd to "bow mage" in 3.0 and then changing it yet again in Stormblood.

It is too late for there to be any changes made before 5.2 and that's why most on our side have said we are fine with a 6.0 time frame if it meant getting a blue mage that can be used in all content that the current combat jobs can.