It's been 5 years, can we remove the job restriction on glamours?

[zeth07]

In a world where it is acceptable to be glamoured in a full Moogle/Pig suit, a bathing suit, Santa, a reindeer, etc. it is not possible for us to mix and match job pieces. Is it time for this to finally be allowed? It would open up a lot of glamour possibilities.

The one excuse I could possibly see for not doing it is PvP, where it might cause confusion for who you are attacking, however I would immediately point out the above examples (besides it being obvious anyway). If an entire team glamoured as Moogles you wouldn't be able to tell the difference outside of the obvious ways anyway. So I do not think that is a valid excuse to begin with even though I bring it up.

Instead here are some reasons why it should be allowed:

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We already have actual job swapped gear models/recolors.

In fact the most recent dungeons are an example of this besides the numerous other examples of recolors between different job types. This is usually pretty normal between Fending/Maiming, Healing/Casting, Striking/Aiming but for some reason taking it one step beyond is "too much" yet the other outrageous glamours are an acceptable fit in the world.

Examples:
- Tank Gear = Fillibuster's Helm of Fending / Rakshasa Mask of Fending
- DRG Gear = Royal Volunteer's Helm of Maiming / Rakshasa Mask of Maiming


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NPCs have mixed gear "glamour" already.

Notable Example = J'olhmyn:
- Cobalt Trident = DRG
- Filibuster's Gambison of Scouting = NIN
- Filibuster's Gloves of Healing = HEALER
- Filibuster's Trousers of Fending = TANK
- Expeditioner's Moccasins = ALL

That is FOUR different job types represented in their outfit. The function is clearly there.

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You have already removed the uniqueness of the major NPC's look by allowing people to buy their outfits through the Mog Station. You are basically saying it is acceptable for major characters to no longer appear special even compared to the most basic of side quest characters like J'olhmyn. You can choose to look like Aymeric no problem, but J'olhmyn is unheard of. This seems odd to me but understanding cause $.


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You could keep a restriction on the job specific artifact armor to at least maintain that identity for the jobs intact, basically no blue "artifact" pieces can be used on a different job glamour.

If there's any ounce of job integrity left considering the other glamours available, at a minimum this would seem like a reasonable exception if everything else was allowed.

This way any excuse of wanting a Paladin to be a Paladin is passable if we ignore the fact that you can do everything else under the sun except look like a caster, healer, aiming, or striking, since looking like maiming is acceptable already or a pig...

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Before opening the flood gates, maybe test the waters by allowing us to at least glamour within the same "types" as mentioned above. Fending+Maiming, Healing+Casting, Aiming+Striking. They already share gear models for some pieces, but this would at least open up some color swapping possibilities while providing some new options on non-shared models without going too far into those other job types. If we can't have everything, maybe this would satisfy people until it becomes an acceptable option in the future to open everything up.

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From a business perspective it incentivizes people to get more gear for more glamours. More gear means more slots needed. More slots needed means more retainers. More retainers means more money. More money means more profits for you.

More gear means more time. More time means more subscription time. More subscription time means more profits for you.

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More glamour options, obviously, but it's the most important.

[Mibgestalt]

I'd be fine with it, a lot of the pieces between roles aren't super "this be a tank/dps/healer/caster 100%" but I honestly believe Artifact Armor and Job specific sets should be for the Job only. Aesthetic is as much a part of job identity as anything else.

[Avatre]

Personally, I think the only restriction should be artifact gear. Outside of that, open the gates!

[Doozer]

I agree about having job specific/artifact stuff be kept exclusive.

[Vespar]

I am all for restrictions being removed.
I agree that AF & Weapons should remain the only restricted pieces. (Obviously weapon shouldnt be glamourable to a different class/job's weapon)

Beyond that, the restrictions are kind of dumb as we already have glamour stuff from seasonal events that looks like heavy armor on tanks and vice versa... Freedom! yes please!

[Fredco191]

My response is pretty much what everyone else is saying.


You have my support!

[Erza_Scarlets]

Should be able to glamour anything outside of weapons as long as you have the job leveled high enough to wear said piece of gear. Weapons should just stay per type that job can wear. Rest of the gear there is no reason to lock it. You want to mix and match pieces from whm and pld go for it. You want to have heavy gear on blm go for it. Not allowing it just limits a good system. People could make lot more creative glamours with no restrictions except having said job high enough to wear x or y piece.

[Gemina]

Oh boy, this again. Believe me I share this frustration. I just got a hold of Amon's Breeches from a recent alliance roulette, which are basically just a pair of fancy leggings anyone can wear from a practical sense, but are only for BRD and MCH. It sucks, but it's also a big incentive for me to go out there and level BRD, MCH or both.

Leveling other jobs, and especially other roles should be encouraged and incentivized. Job and role specific gear accomplishes this. Well, it used to. Now that sets are basically just recolored for different roles, this has gone away a great deal. It is the repercussion of the devs actually caving into player demand to lift these restrictions. But those of you who want your cake and to eat it too don't see this. The devs just will not go back and lift restrictions on previous gear like the afore mentioned Amon's Breeches.

In a world where it is acceptable to be glamoured in a full Moogle/Pig suit, a bathing suit, Santa, a reindeer, etc. it is not possible for us to mix and match job pieces. Is it time for this to finally be allowed? It would open up a lot of glamour possibilities.

This is where if I was a dev, I would immediately stop reading the remainder of the post, and possibly the thread. I would seriously think really hard about approaching your argument from a different angle.

The one excuse I could possibly see for not doing it is PvP, where it might cause confusion for who you are attacking, however I would immediately point out the above examples (besides it being obvious anyway). If an entire team glamoured as Moogles you wouldn't be able to tell the difference outside of the obvious ways anyway. So I do not think that is a valid excuse to begin with even though I bring it up.

They don't need any excuse. It's their game, and what they say goes. Simple as that, and they don't have to provide any explanation either. You're either on board or you're not. And if looking at things from an identity perspective, I need remind that it's the job that gives the gear identity, not the other way around. If you take the Cleric's Robe and let WAR's wear it, the WHM will still be a WHM; however, the Cleric's Robe will no longer belong to WHM exclusively. This is why the bunny suit, pig suit, snowman, reindeer, chocobo suits are redundant.

NPCs have mixed gear "glamour" already.

Indeed they do. Even if said NPC is tied to a class or job in terms of story, lore, or demographic; he/she is not bound by the game's coding because they are not playable characters. NPCs break the rules in other ways as well, but since they are not PC, they actually aren't breaking anything.

You have already removed the uniqueness of the major NPC's look by allowing people to buy their outfits through the Mog Station. You are basically saying it is acceptable for major characters to no longer appear special even compared to the most basic of side quest characters like J'olhmyn. You can choose to look like Aymeric no problem, but J'olhmyn is unheard of. This seems odd to me but understanding cause $.

And now you know why it is a bad idea to lift restrictions. You're basically saying the damage is done, so might as well wipe the remainder of the forest and lay down the pavement.

More glamour options, obviously, but it's the most important.

This is where we see eye to eye completely. More glamour options. MUCH MORE! However, this doesn't mean lift restrictions. Two totally different things.

[Shougun]

Still not my most favorite idea, a full unlock, lol but I would imagine the extra options and the very minor damage in identity from allowing like options groups of armor for glamour (fending + maiming as exampled) would be okay.

Although my more personal favorite is a more SE controlled system via cosmetic merit points. Merit points for those not familiar with FFXI was what you could do with EXP at the level cap, you'd earn those points and apply them to things like +3 strength, +jump, etc.

So for this cosmetic merit system (better since if you're behind it doesn't prevent you from content, and gives you reason to still want to get exp lol), you could unlock on Dark Knight the dark misty shadow effect rather then the red wisp, upgrade or change a look of a spell (like making the ancient flare spell into another element, for visuals - or perhaps bane into an eruption like effect on summoner).

Anyway more to the point of the thread you could unlock specific sets (or even unique new reward, since its a system it can do both) that SE has deemed fitting that break normal glamour rules (so you can have that holy breastplate on white mage for example). I know it's more restrictive (obviously lol) than just unlocking the systems but I'm not a huge fan of the identities being taken out even more (and yes I know in some cases it's quite weak)

[Rymm]

In a world where it is acceptable to be glamoured in a full Moogle/Pig suit, a bathing suit, Santa, a reindeer, etc. it is not possible for us to mix and match job pieces. Is it time for this to finally be allowed? It would open up a lot of glamour possibilities.

Interestingly enough, Yoshi-P just answered this question during an interview in the issue of Aetherflow magazine that was published today.

http://aetherflowmedia.com/issues/ae...w-winter-2018/

The article starts on page 210, but the actual question and answer is on page 226.