Drk: worst designed class

[Megguido]

i don't consider it subjetive, DRK, WHM and MCH are the worst desingned jobs this expansion, clunkynes, lack of sinergy betwen you own skills, clipping problems all around or just useles gauge mechanics.

DRK cliping isues bcs dark arts animation is pretty long is a comong thing betwen high ping players and in less degree with low ping players too.

I was replying to Miyafuji, I should have quoted sorry. And clipping isn't a DRK issue, it's a Square Enix and shitty connections issue. If you can't play DRK without clipping, you can't play MCH, DRG, NIN, SMN, MNK, SAM without clipping.

technically is about performance too, DRK is the most healer dependent tank by a far margin not only for the lack of effective selfheals/pasive blocks outside of grit but being the worst tank to dealt with situations to carry the weight of you party at the cost of you dps to save the run since you can't archive the same self sustain on tank stance like the other 2 plus living dead its the most hated skill by the healers, the job is the least versatile and helpfull with the lack of any party support utility.

I just disagree with this. If we consider full DPS stance mode, WAR only has Storm's Path. At ilvl 385, Storm's Path heals for 2.2k HP every 3 GCD. In other words, it takes at least 18 GCD, which is around 40 seconds (without any Fell Cleave nor Storm's eye in the equation, so actually longer), to heal 14k HP as a WAR, which is what TBN can mitigate at a very minor cost. But that's not the main point. Main point is about Holmgang. Holmgang is OP, but requires heavy healing to recover akin to Living Dead, except it's more frequent. Surviving at half HP with DM + TBN is better than suviving with 1 HP, cause it's easier to recover. Unless you swap to tank stance and start IR - Inner Beast spam of course.

Living dead is a pain in the ass in dungeons mostly, and solo content, because you can't self heal to full HP in less than 10s and because a single unaware healer will have trouble to do so as well. Just put Living Dead healing requirement to 50% max HP, and turn TBN into a self heal instead of a shield during walking dead debuff or something like that and it's fixed.

[Reynhart]

Main point is about Holmgang. Holmgang is OP, but requires heavy healing to recover akin to Living Dead, except it's more frequent.

Far from it. If nothing comes right after reaching 1 HP, it's not that difficult to survive with a single Cure and some ticks of Regen and Medica. On top of that, reducing further damage would also help you survive what comes after whereas DRK would not benefit at all from additionnal mitigation, Galvanize of TBN to survive the side effect of Living Dead.

And if you really need your healer to pack a powerful healing, Benediction could technically be up for every Holmgang, so even the "more frequent" part is not that stressful.

[shao32]

I was replying to Miyafuji, I should have quoted sorry. And clipping isn't a DRK issue, it's a Square Enix and shitty connections issue. If you can't play DRK without clipping, you can't play MCH, DRG, NIN, SMN, MNK, SAM without clipping.

i don't have cliping isues per se but i get some on blood weapon windows with certain animations, specially when i have to use certain CDs, nothing serious but i know is a problem for certain friends mine tha5t have high ping.

I just disagree with this. If we consider full DPS stance mode, WAR only has Storm's Path. At ilvl 385, Storm's Path heals for 2.2k HP every 3 GCD. In other words, it takes at least 18 GCD, which is around 40 seconds (without any Fell Cleave nor Storm's eye in the equation, so actually longer), to heal 14k HP as a WAR, which is what TBN can mitigate at a very minor cost. But that's not the main point. Main point is about Holmgang. Holmgang is OP, but requires heavy healing to recover akin to Living Dead, except it's more frequent. Surviving at half HP with DM + TBN is better than suviving with 1 HP, cause it's easier to recover. Unless you swap to tank stance and start IR - Inner Beast spam of course.

Living dead is a pain in the ass in dungeons mostly, and solo content, because you can't self heal to full HP in less than 10s and because a single unaware healer will have trouble to do so as well. Just put Living Dead healing requirement to 50% max HP, and turn TBN into a self heal instead of a shield during walking dead debuff or something like that and it's fixed.

you can use only Excogitation, Essential Dignity, benediction or any casted cure and WAR will be instantly out of danger and even take care of it yourself if you are alone vs having to restore the same amount of max HP DRK have in 10 seconds, if you have benediction ready for it both are equal, but if is not the case living dead is worse, much worse, but is bcs the living dead mechanic is bad desingned since DRK can't take care of it by himself, and yeah holmgang is pretty op but is like is part of WAR identity have something op.

[armandojc3]

Conceptually DRK is my favourite class (design, concept, story).

His gameplay design works, he has the tools to handle anything with advantages and disadvantages.

My only real problem with this class is the gameplay clunkyness and lack of satisfaction. There is just no peak to the class, the satisfaction is just not there.

PLD gets to feel like a friking impenetrable wall while shielding or healing everyone else and WAR can beat all DPS classes for a few seconds while being invinsible at the same time. DRK on the other hand is sort of a mute experience, all his abilities names and descriptions call for badassness yet when executed are underwhelming, they are just "enough" to get by but never capable of exceeding or allowing the player to feel like a badass. That plus the fact there is not really a "flow" to him.

Id love to have a more powerfull single attack, how bout a 100 blood gauge + all mana cost bloodspiller, sort of BLM flare mechanics, would be cool.

DRK is my main and will remain to be but sadly the most fun and cool moments i have playing this game never come from him.

PS. I actually like The Blackest Night mechanics as they are.

[Shurrikhan]

Mechanically underwhelming? Sure.

Clunky? Certainly.

Underperforming? Not at all. Its personal mitigation is the most flexible, while costing only a dozen or so potency out of Grit and none from within it, and more than make up for its lack of a raid mitigation tool in most fights.

It's just where that power is allocated that makes it a bit jarring as a job. So much in TBN, so little in Souleater, etc., etc.

[Insanecell]

Hope they get rid of the knock off warrior abilities in this supposed rework. Speaking of, I’ve been gone for quite awhile, can anyone share where they said a DRK rework is coming?

[Aomine1992]

They only issue DRK honestly has is it’s disgusting huge need for MP with so little MP to begin with, TBN is a double edged sword that you would end up falling on often, and

Everything about Dark Arts is holding the class back soooooo much it’s just baffling why anyone would think that the way that the skill is used now would be optimal.

[Insanecell]

They only issue DRK honestly has is it’s disgusting huge need for MP with so little MP to begin with, TBN is a double edged sword that you would end up falling on often, and

Everything about Dark Arts is holding the class back soooooo much it’s just baffling why anyone would think that the way that the skill is used now would be optimal.

I disagree here. I love the concept of limiting resources and using an ability that essentially upgrades certain abilities. I think the issue is that Square got it so right on some abilities and so wrong on others. There’s no reason as to why spending DA on SE shouldn’t cause it to heal for half the damage it does out of grit. There’s no reason why spending it on Bloodspiller makes it more of a Fell Cleave clone. I love how it adds enmity to plunge and a blind to DP.

I know others weren’t fond of spending it on defensives but man did I love it. It felt engaging cause you had to think while fighting your own mp pool. Almost like struggling with the darkness or something edgy like that, I dont know.

As for TBN. It’s grown on me since coming back. I hope it stays if they rework the class next xpac.

[Lubu_Mykono]

DRK ultimate ability living dead needs to be buffed or changed.
Dark Arts needs another level like Blood Arts or change the reliance on it (8 or 9 moves??)
Please do something like Dark Arts + Blackest Nights = ENTIRE PARTY shield since both other tanks have it.

My advice, remove MP and make the blood resource the entire way damage/dps is done on Dark Knight, and put Dark Arts on a GCD or cooldown if its possible.

Just my advice, im no DRK expert. its just an opinion.