Raiders, is this normal (O10S question)?

[KaivaC]

Morning. And I'll go ahead and state this off the bat - this is not a follow-up to past threads. I actually have a legitimate question this time (and I got over myself and started hitting green).

I've been reviewing some of my statics past few clears on O10S, and I notice that during the transition when you have to deal with the keys, there is a drop in DPS. It seems to affect the melee DPS more than anything else (even flip/spins). Lately, I noticed that I go from a consistent 6.2k from before the boss flies away to 5.2k when you're done dealing with the keys and the add. That's a significant drop. What I'm asking is suggestions that would minimize that huge dps drop. Not sure if it's normal to drop that hard during this particular section.

I am a ilvl 393 NIN, if that helps.

[Reap00]

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

[KaivaC]

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

Doesn't quite help when you're trying to figure some things out - besides, I'm PS4, I don't have a parser lol

[Lastelli]

The only thing you can do is ask your other party members to coordinate better and let melees handle the nails that are linked to other nails so you have an easier time when moving between them. Also, remember to use shukuchi and, if needed, reset it with a raiton.

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

Please let players that want to improve ask for assistance to do so without insinuating that they're parser slaves.

[AleXwern]

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

Oh hi Kisai, did you get banned on your main acc? Still telling people what's fun and what's not?

On topic: At which point spesifically? I don't think your dps drops by 1k just from transistion into Nails or during nails. There is however almost minute (something like 43 seconds) of downtime after the dragon add and I think that's more likely candidate.

[KaivaC]

Your damage is going to plummet during that phase regardless of role because of the randomness of the keys (so you can't pre-position yourself for attacking or go in a CW or CCW fashion). You also will not be able to get full rotations on most of them if your static is piling on the same one. Plus, after Protostar, you're running around dodging divebombs and AOEs. The total time of that entire phase is pushing 2 minutes.

My static tries to split up with at least two players on the non-invulnerable nails to kill them faster. But we still see a significant drop in damage simply because of the amount of downtime you have during the add phase. Whether or not this is the optimal strat I can't say, but we do down it faster now that we did before when we were one person per nail.

Yeah, we tend to be quite split up for the keys - I don't think we ever discussed a specific strat when dealing with keys. I talk it over with them tonight, see if we can staunch the drop a little when we do our weekly for it again.

The only thing you can do is ask your other party members to coordinate better and let melees handle the nails that are linked to other nails so you have an easier time when moving between them. Also, remember to use shukuchi and, if needed, reset it with a raiton.

Oh? Raiton refreshes shukuchi? Or can fuma do it as well? Fuma is my go-to mudra.

On topic: At which point spesifically? I don't think your dps drops by 1k just from transistion into Nails or during nails. There is however almost minute (something like 43 seconds) of downtime after the dragon add and I think that's more likely candidate.

I haven't pinpointed where outside of knowing that it's during this specific transition, especially with as much time as you have in the phase. I gotta look into it some more when I have time.

[Lastelli]

Raiton refreshes shukuchi? Or can fuma do it as well? Fuma is my go-to mudra.

Yes. It's a lvl 64 trait:

Enhanced Shukuchi
Resets the recast timer for Shukuchi upon executing Katon, Raiton, or Hyoton on most targets.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, we tend to be quite split up for the keys - I don't think we ever discussed a specific strat when dealing with keys. I talk it over with them tonight, see if we can staunch the drop a little when we do our weekly for it again.

Specifically, what my group does, is we have the tank that’s taking the dragon drag him north/northeast corner (they position to try and find a vulnerable key to also wack on because it really sucks to be the tank that has to take the dragon there), and then the rest of us sort of split up west, south, and east. We usually have 2 players on each of the vulnerable nails, and stick to our quadrants, only converging when there’s a left over nail or on the dragon. It still takes us about ~40 seconds to do that, but it’s better than before where it took us nearly 60 seconds.

This is the strat we found works for us. Of course, we haven’t started optimizing v10s like some of the other fights, mostly because none of us like the fight lol. Our strat may change when we start going for more optimization in there, but right now, this works for us.


AleXwern is probably right in that the majority of your damage drop comes from after Protostar, where you guys are just running around dodging stuff. You will still see some drop off in the keys phase, but most is from Midgardsormr being completely untargetable during divebombs/thunderstorm AOEs. The worst thing for your damage is being unable to deal any at all.

[Ilan]

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

I suggest that people stop deciding whats enjoyable for others.

Parsing is also not for competition for most people its for improving yourself, but i know its hard to understand if you don't want to.

[Awful]

I suggest turning off the PC/Console and just enjoy the game.

Fixed it for you now you can enjoy it all you want!